No Colors Anymore?

[Dave Sinkula]

I fought for and again miss the lack of being able to highlight what I would like to point out using color.

Yes there are the [highlight] tags, but I used to use magenta for bad and blue for good -- kinda like the old days when red meant delete, blue meant add, and green meant change (or at least that's how I remember it). A single color doesn't do this as well.

Old posts suffer from the lack of it being there. A reply that depended on color may look stupid without color support -- much like some posts that relied on now absent fonts now look stupid without the font.

IMO, leave moderation to the moderators. And don't cripple folks who do their damnedest to use the tools correctly. :(

[cscgal]

Color was being WAY overly abused, and we simply don't have the moderation team right now to effectively moderate it. When I found quite a few posts within a single afternoon which all had every single word a different color just for the sake of being nearly impossible to read, I finally just had enough. Perhaps (err, most likely) when we have a really good moderation team in every forum color will return, but as it stands right now, we don't have a single person moderating the entire Site Management category right now, and only tgreer in all of Web Development. You can't say "leave moderation to the moderators" if there aren't moderators available to moderate.

[cscgal]

I would like to apologize to our brand new moderator, FC Jamison , who was just appointed this week. I'm sorry I forgot about you! We have TWO moderators in Web Development ... tgreer and FC Jamison.

[Dave Sinkula]

M'kay. You're the boss.

What attracted me to vB forums over c.l.c or Yahoo!Groups were these features you are removing.

[cscgal]

I would really like to think it was the people.

[cscgal]

* pinged Davey for his opinion *

[Dave Sinkula]

I would really like to think it was the people.

Yeah, there's a bit of that too -- I followed Jul to a couple of sites. Several familiar folks have wandered about. We settle where we can express our ideas in the manner in which we want.

[Dave Sinkula]

...Silencing Narue's replies here may put great information elsewhere.

Enforcing strict rules may lead other great folks to save it for where it is "allowed".

Wrecking beautiful posts may push folks to play where they can do it.

Removing things all the time may leave things as bland as Courier New.

I understand your point. But, as with just about everything, with the good comes the bad.

[happygeek]

* pinged Davey for his opinion *

I think that we are getting there on the moderator front, with a handful of new additions this week, including someone to look after Site Management.

I also think that Dave S has a point regarding the colour bbcode issue, and being flexible with such things, as does Dani with the looking messy when unmoderated comment.

My personal opinion on this one is that I'd consider bringing colour back, but only if properly moderated.

However, I agree with Dave that it should be a moderator decision so how about we put it to the vote over in the mods place forum after a period of discussion there?

[cscgal]

This is an old argument around here. :) Dave is the only person who wants or cares about color. Of 100,000 members, he's the only person who seems to have realized color went away. In fact, I suspect he doesn't even use it all that much because color went away weeks ago and he's first bringing it up now.

My viewpoint is that if it is capable of being a negative thing, and it doesn't seem to phase anyone (except for Dave) whether it's here or not, it might as well not be.

But I will definitely reconsider if there is at least a small group of moderators or members who feel as strongly as Dave that the ability to color different words in your post is an essential part of communication. For me, I've never used it before, anywhere, and I don't see how it has a place outside of MySpace.

We've never had color on DaniWeb. Then Dave came along and convinced me to allow it. Reluctantly, I did. I'm now seeing it's beeing overly abused, it's making posts ridiculously hard to read, and I just don't like it. I never ever see it used appropriately. The only times I see posts colored is by the younger crowd who want to play around. So I removed it. Dave is the only one who even noticed.

Sorry ;)

[happygeek]

Ah, right, I didn't appreciate the history involved here ;)

In that case, I reserve my right to change my mind and now think that it's one of those cases that we should leave to public/moderator opinion. If this thread develops into a long pro-colour one then maybe your decision needs revisiting, if not, well, then not...

[cscgal]

If this thread developers into a long pro-color one, then I will strongly consider readding color. However, it cannot be because Dave is rallying for votes. :) The people have to genuinely want color.

[happygeek]

That seems fair enough!

[WolfPack]

Dave is the only person who wants or cares about color. Of 100,000 members, he's the only person who seems to have realized color went away.

No I want colours as well. I thought it was a bug in the new BB update, and since I felt that I have been asking too much I kept quiet until someone else put it forward. Have been sleeping for the whole day ofSaturday (went for a karoake until Satruday morning), so I saw this thread only now.

PS:
My head still hurts.

[cscgal]

OK, Wolfy. Note taken. That makes two. ... and feel better! Go get rest.

[The Dude]

Maybe you could enable it for the staff accounts only and see how it goes Dani :) (Or is it global??)

[Dave Sinkula]

In fact, I suspect he doesn't even use it all that much because color went away weeks ago and he's first bringing it up now.

Normally (elsewhere), I use it all the time . I find it so much better to understand exactly the point I am making. In fact, if you remove the color from those posts, figuring out what I'm saying is more difficult.

It is true that many people don't know how to use it, but it's nice when it's there for those of us who do.

I can't make the same point using BIU, it just looks dumb. And I still miss fonts, and I still miss sizes. They have a real purpose other than abuse, and lacking them is just lacking. Hadja ever noticed that some of the previous changes messed up most of Bob's tutorials? Some of my posts here used to use elements that are now missing (and I'm not the only one who used color to highlight issues in code), so you have devalued previous posts that might have been more useful to someone seaching.

Heck, if you hate colors, and sizes, and fonts, why not continue on and get rid of BIU, indenting, bulleting and numbering and all that too? Someone's bound to abuse them too.

Let's do the whole thing in plain text. Yeah, let's be usenet. Go Courier New!

[Dave Sinkula]

Of 100,000 members, he's the only person who seems to have realized color went away.

BTW, that's 2597 who have 5 or more posts and have posted this year. (Note the colored text.)

[cscgal]

Heck, if you hate colors, and sizes, and fonts, why not continue on and get rid of BIU, indenting, bulleting and numbering and all that too? Someone's bound to abuse them too. Let's do the whole thing in plain text. Yeah, let's be usenet. Go Courier New!

Don't tempt me :)

[cscgal]

BTW, that's 2597 who have 5 or more posts and have posted this year. (Note the colored text.)

That's still only 0.08% :)