It came as a shock to many people that the “No Russian” mission in Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 allowed players to act with such extreme malicious intent. The inclusion of the mission sparked a blazing controversy amongst pundits and critics alike, with its gratuitous depiction of terrorists mowing down innocent civilians at a crowded Russian airport. It was one of the most intimately morbid moments in recent gaming history.
It doesn’t come as any shock that after all the public scrutinyModern Warfare 2 received, the soon-to-be released Medal of Honor is being met with resistance before the title even hits the front lines. After it was announced gamers will have the option to play as a Taliban terrorist at some branch of the story, which follows Tier 1 special operatives in modern day Afghanistan, the U.S. Military threw the red flag and outlawed its sale at bases across the country.
"We regret any inconvenience this may cause authorized shoppers, but are optimistic that they will understand the sensitivity to the life-and-death scenarios this product presents as entertainment," said Maj. Gen. Bruce Casella, who commands the Army & Air Force Exchange Service.
The game has already been banned at nearly 300 Army and Air Force base exchange shops. The Navy was quick to follow suit, barring it from 104 of their exchange shops, as well. The prohibition also looms over the 49 GameStops located nationally on military bases.
"At the hands of the Taliban, children have lost fathers, and wives have lost husbands," said British Defense Secretary Liam Fox, who has led the public protest. "It's shocking that someone would think it acceptable to re-create the acts of the Taliban against British soldiers."
It’s commonplace that you can’t have the good without the evil. Where there is a hero, there is a villain, and for video game’s sake, players seemingly always have access to both the light and the dark. What fun would a story be with might and no gloom, sunshine and no shadow? Kids have matured into adults on steady diets of cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, and as moviegoers, we’re more often than not rooting for the bad guys. This begs to ask the question: when does the line between tasteful discretion and egregious censorship get drawn in the sand far beyond its means? Ignoring both sides of a story is what realists call “propaganda”, something our military isn’t a stranger to.
Aren’t these soldiers fighting for our freedoms and sensibilities, the same ones that constitutional rights uphold and protect? My heart goes out to their valiant souls and their unnerved families, as they sit and pray for the day their loved ones will return home. Haven’t these noble enlistees earned the right to do whatever they please? At the end of the day, doesn’t impeding on one's right to enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness make you no better than the terrorists you are trying to eradicate?
Will there ever be an end to the ridiculousness that is video game censorship? Is this to say that because of Japan’s bombing of Pearl Harbor, we can’t play as samurais in video games because we’re supporting terrorism? Should we still be throwing British tea in Boston Harbor? Should bratwursts and pilsner be banned from our stores because we fought Nazis in World War 2?
Saving Private Ryan had such a melancholy aura with veterans watching the film, so much so that it was reported that some threw up, passed out, or were so emotionally disturbed by the D-Day invasion at Normandy, they had to leave the theater. That’s the point here: if something affronts you, you proactively choose to avoid it, not tell others that because you’re offended by it, they will never be granted a decision for themselves as to whether or not it invokes the same feelings with them. The U.S. military is overstepping its bounds here drastically, something it tends to do best.
While this ban limits the sale of Medal of Honor, it does not prohibit its ownership. With no shortage of online stores ready to cater to the men and women gamers in the service, rest assured, you shouldn’t skip a beat when the game releases on October 12th.
As a retired 23 year veteran I have to agree that the game should be banned from every store in the USA. The game is an insult to every American who died in wartime. If I see a copy of it I'm afraid I will have to burn it in front of the store that sells it.
>>The U.S. military is overstepping its bounds here drastically, something it tends to do best.
Bullshit. The military has every right to ban anything they want from military installations. Military installations and the people on it are not bound by the United States Constitution -- they are only subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. US Constitution rights do not apply there. Anyone entering a military institution give up those rights during their stay.
I have to admit that I used to play a decent amount of Grand Theft Auto and its variants. I'll also confess that, while I normally play the part of a G.I. in video games, I've occasionally played on the Nazi side. Playing for the Taliban side seems a bit too far for me to go (I guess it's just too current and hence too real), but really, what's the difference? You're out there shooting cops and innocent civilians in Grand Theft Auto. Is that disrespectful to real-life cops and crime victims? I don't think it is. If you have a good sense of who are the good guys and who are the bad guys, it's harmless. I guess Grand Theft Auto was so over the top that it didn't even seem like real violence. Blowing up a U.S. Humvee would probably be more disturbing.
It would be interesting to see a survey of opinions of current U.S. servicemen in Afghanistan and see how many are offended and how many aren't, and how many would actually play the game.
I wholeheartedly disagree with you, Dragon.
My point wasn't that the military doesn't have the right to ban this game. It was that men and women in the armed forces are dying for our freedoms of choice when they aren't even afforded any for themselves. Now they're going to intervene with which forms of entertainment media our soldiers choose to enjoy? It's asinine. This isn't about loyalties; this is about sensibilities.
Have you ever watched Platoon, Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now, Black Hawk Down, Band of Brothers, or The Pacific? How are they any more or less an insult than the scenarios one will play witness to within Medal of Honor? It's a huge double standard. In the end, all you're choosing to do is surround yourself with things that better suit you.
Like Vernon says, you could literally make a point like this with the release of any game, movie, or album; relating this to Grand Theft Auto is a perfect example. What a miserable existence it would be if people took everything with a grain of salt. Why even get out of bed in the morning if every offensive crevice and facet of modern society upset you? It wouldn't even be a feasible existence. That is why people have the freedom to choose what brings them joy, a freedom good people die for. That is why this is ridiculous.
Men and women in the military are already told when to wake, what to eat, where to go, and what to do. Do they really need people limiting how they enjoy their time in between fighting for our flag?
I am so glad Ancient Dragon was here to defend those who serve and have served in the military.
My dad,my uncle, my grandfather, my great-grandfather, my great-great grandfather all served in the military. I am so glad that the government banned the game from being sold on the base. I think that this level should be banned altogether, but it is freedom of speech so it is allowed even though it is sickly warped, morbid, vile and Anti-Earth. Letting people play as the Taliban might give them the wrong impression. I keep seeing references to grand theft auto and how it didn't cause any problems. I know that a major fact has been ignored by gamers that GTA was the cause of at least one Real Life issue that I remember reading about off the top of my head. Three cops died because of an 18 year old who killed real cops after playing the Grand Theft Auto game. A long time ago when GTA was new a friend said this is a cool game. I put it in my system turned it on and as fast as I turned the game on I turned it off. I highly discourage the company from releasing this anti-american, anti-british, anti-earth level and if they do I highly question their judgment. You can give me negative ratings all you want. I know what is right and what isn't and this is not right!!
When I say anti-earth, I am NOT referring to all the countries, Men and Woman who are fighting to keep their Countries and families safe from evil. I am referring to the evil people who try to destroy our planet.
>>Letting people play as the Taliban might give them the wrong impression.
I've played GTA and I haven't run over any hookers, cops or children with my car yet.
I've played counter-strike as a terrorist, but I have never felt the need to take a bunch of people hostage, or rig a bomb somewhere.
I have also played Mario Bros and I don't feel the urge to dive in sewage pipes or eat green and red mushrooms.
People can think for themselves and know the difference between fiction and real life. If they don't: they need help. Your not going to help them by banning these games.
>> Three cops died because of an 18 year old who killed real cops after playing the Grand Theft Auto game
If it wasn't for videogames he would have done it because "aliens told him", "his dead father came to him in a dream", "the A-Team". These people are sick and need professional help. Putting your head in the sand by banning these games isn't going to help them or prevent these incidents from happening.
A few years ago "heavy-metal" was the source of all evil. Now it's games. Tomorrow it'll be something else.
I am so glad Ancient Dragon was here to defend those who serve and have served in the military. My dad,my uncle, my grandfather, my great-grandfather, my great-great grandfather all served in the military. I am so glad that the government banned the game from being sold on the base. I think that this level should be banned altogether, but it is freedom of speech so it is allowed even though it is sickly warped, morbid, vile and Anti-Earth. Letting people play as the Taliban might give them the wrong impression. I keep seeing references to grand theft auto and how it didn't cause any problems. I know that a major fact has been ignored by gamers that GTA was the cause of at least one Real Life issue that I remember reading about off the top of my head. Three cops died because of an 18 year old who killed real cops after playing the Grand Theft Auto game. A long time ago when GTA was new a friend said this is a cool game. I put it in my system turned it on and as fast as I turned the game on I turned it off. I highly discourage the company from releasing this anti-american, anti-british, anti-earth level and if they do I highly question their judgment. You can give me negative ratings all you want. I know what is right and what isn't and this is not right!! When I say anti-earth, I am NOT referring to all the countries, Men and Woman who are fighting to keep their Countries and families safe from evil. I am referring to the evil people who try to destroy our planet.
What are you even saying? What does any of that rambling even mean? You're but the second person to glaringly miss any underlying substance with a brash response. I'm not berating anyone serving in the military, and the fact you assume that is both an insult to the views I articulated carefully and shows how long you thought about your response.
All my relatives fought in wars. Does that all of a sudden make my opinion have more weight? I have friends that are veterans of Iraq and will be purchasing and playing this game. Now what can you say? And I ask you as well: have you ever watchedPlatoon, Saving Private Ryan, Apocalypse Now, Black Hawk Down, Band of Brothers, The Pacific? Have you ever taken enjoyment from watching Hollywood's depiction of the battlefield? Then you are, in the end, no better than these magical double standards you choose to uphold.
The series has put you in the boots of Japanese and German soldiers in its previous titles. Where were you then to cry out about our past international diplomacy?
And no, three cops didn't die because of Grand Theft Auto. Three cops died because a withdrawn, reclusive psychopath with parents that ignored the obvious signs blamed Grand Theft Auto. There's a difference. If you want warped, morbid, and vile, how about the aimless, senseless comments you regurgitate from the video game hate monger Jack Thompson following Devin Moore's senseless killing of these three officers, when Thompson used the headlines as an in to slander the game with his unsubstantiated, mindless soapbox speeches to spread his biased views to impressionable people like you. But hey, why blame the terrible parents or young adult with mental issues and no grip on reality when we can point the finger at something else!?! It's such a fun game passing the blame around our society!
Like Nick said, banning these games does nothing for the greater good. You can sweep all the evil in the world under the rug, but that doesn't mean people won't still be raving lunatics or forget it existed. The children who politicians are trying to "protect" by banning these violent games are ultimately just being ignored. It's easier to take something away than it is to nurture the person behind the reasons why you had to do it.
In this instance, it's about the US military controlling what its service men and women see, and considering our vested involvement in the Middle East, the Taliban perspective reported to be in Medal of Honor would be detrimental to the cause's morale and give life to an enemy we're told has no soul. Nothing more, nothing less.
I'll say it again: this game is wrong on so many levels.
The human mind, especially the teenager mind is very impressionable. This game should be banned or at the bare minimum have everyone be over 18 & carded & sign sometype of legal agreement. I am sure some stores will refuse to carry it while others see the dissatisfaction of their customers and stop selling it. Seriously, what were the game designers thinking? I design games & I leave anything to do with politics out of my games. Yes, this has to do with politics and so much more like morals and ethics.
Ding my rating all you want on here. I still won't change my comments.
1) There is nothing wrong with the military banning this game from their bases/service people to keep troop moral etc.. you need propaganda and censorship.
2) Video games do not make people go out an kill people, sick depressed frustrated people will go out and kill people no matter if they are reading a book with graphic descriptions of violent watching a movie or playing a video game or not.
3) These games are almost always rated M for mature meaning you have to be over 18 to buy it already it is the parents of the teenagers that are giving them permission to get it and often buying it for themselves and sharing it with their kids to have family time. Clearly it is the parents you should be complaining about not the video game manufacturer's.
The level should not be banned, games always let you play as good or evil I have won WW2 for the Soviets in RA, I have destroyed the Jedi as a Sith, I have used nukes and terrorist against enemies in many games. I have also done it as the good side. Depending on how it is done playing as the other side can give you insight into why they are fighting against you which is valuable if we want to stop them from fighting without exterminating every last one of them.
There are 2 sides to every story. I find it funny that the Americans (the only people to have used the atomic bomb and they did it twice when once would have sufficed) and participated in the cold war which nearly did destroy the planet with nuclear weapons are accusing people resorting to improvised explosives of trying to destroy the planet. Get some perspective there are only a few countries/organizations in the world with the ability to destroy the planet and they are the ones claiming to be 'protecting' us.
@tiger86 if your games have nothing to do with politics how boring they must be, part of entertainment is looking at an issue from a different perspective that's why most forms of entertainment do not feature average Americans as the leading characters we already know what it is like to be them.
I'll say it again: this game is wrong on so many levels. The human mind, especially the teenager mind is very impressionable. This game should be banned or at the bare minimum have everyone be over 18 & carded & sign sometype of legal agreement. I am sure some stores will refuse to carry it while others see the dissatisfaction of their customers and stop selling it. Seriously, what were the game designers thinking? I design games & I leave anything to do with politics out of my games. Yes, this has to do with politics and so much more like morals and ethics. Ding my rating all you want on here. I still won't change my comments.
That's fantastic...you said it again. That means I get to read the same baseless rhetoric twice. On what levels is this wrong? You have discussed how this issue has made YOU feel, so now explain why its a blemish to society. I truly don't think you've read anything that anybody has typed. Also, the sky is blue and dogs wag their tails when they're happy.
It's called the ESRB and stores carding people for games with aMature rating. Do you have any idea at all about anything you're typing, or is it all just sort of loosely falling out of your head to your fingers to bang together words on the keyboard? If you're a game designer, seems as though you'd know these sorts of things.
This discussion is pointless if you're just going to pick and choose what you want to read to advance what little and insignificant points you are trying to make. It's people like you that give video games their bad name.
Agilemind--spot on, by the way. Kudos. The military has all the power in the world to ban things for whatever reason they see fit. I just disagree when the reasoning they've given here, when it's clearly just them tossing up another smokescreen to the real purpose, as I had said previously:
"In this instance, it's about the US military controlling what its service men and women see, and considering our vested involvement in the Middle East, the Taliban perspective reported to be in Medal of Honor would be detrimental to the cause's morale and give life to an enemy we're told has no soul. Nothing more, nothing less."
I think that we all may be making a bigger deal of this than it is. As the story states, there is no prohibition against owning the game. I served in the military and spent over a year in Afghanistan. I personally saw a person lose his leg when a RPG hit his 7-ton. I have no problem with allowing military members to play this game if that is what they want. However, I also have no problem with a military base deciding not to sell a game that will in some ways legitimize Taliban actions. They are not prohibiting the right to play the game, they are merely exercising their right to choose what items they offer in their stores. I can't help but think that on a military base, there would be several people that have been harmed by actions of the Taliban that would have to pass that game on their way to the BX/PX. While most wouldn't be affected, I applaud the decision to prevent even a few mental breakdowns that might be caused. For the record, I will not and probably could not play this game because of the material. I enjoy MW2, but to me that is impersonal and not real. To play in a arena that I spent so much time in would not be enjoyable to me. But I would not want others to be prohibited from playing if that is what they desire.
Okay, first off I've never played Medal of Honor. I have played Halo online. I was quite tired last night when I made my second post. I know that games like Halo and GTA depict violence, but what seperates them from this new level of medal of honor is that
(1 the versions of Halo online that I played weren't set in any era. I also would like to state that while I have played Halo Online I didn't like it and quit after a few days. My cousin wanted me to play it.
(2 we are currently in the middle of a war on terrorisim & Medal Of Honor allows people to be the enemy that we are currently fighting.
(3
There is a rating above M, it just isn't sold at retail stores or at least I've never seen it.
I will admit that GTA case does indeed have to do with the players mental stability, but There is a big difference between books and Movies.
I've never watched the movies you listed, because those aren't my type of movies. Games that have shooting like guild wars are fine IMO, because you kill monsters & ghosts. I am not a fan of PVP in games like that, but even then you are a fictional character with powers. What I find wrong with this new Medal Of Honor is the fact that you can play as the enemy and fictitiously kill are own men. It is fictitious, but sends out the entirely wrong message.
I won't reply to any other posts.
Anyone noticed the Irony yet?
The best recruitment tool the US army has every had is an online computer game where you play a US soldier and shoot terrorists etc... they pay real soldiers to play and befriend the other players and recruit them.
Course the military should realize by making such a fuss over this game it is just going to guarantee it will be a success, look at all the free advertising they are giving it.
>>Course the military should realize by making such a fuss over this game it is just going to guarantee it will be a success
It does seem to work that way with anything that is banned whether it is drugs, alcohol, movies, books, games, guns, etc. I don't know about other countries but in USA banning something seems to produce a backlash affect.
Banning something will only make people want it more because they can't have it. There's no such thing as bad press.
Good.
The mind can be incredibly delicate. I am shocked that it took this long for the military to make it an issue. To use the term Censorship gives creativity a bad name. This is more a case of not respecting a serious issue.
If you've ever read the General's current orders, you'd see how much is banned throughout the military. Making this not much of a shock.
Only people who have never served in the military would be shocked at the banning. Such a thing is actually pretty common. I recall one time the Base Commander banned a Cheek and Chong movie because it involved drugs.
The military is an organization; it has to "forbid" certain things in order to not be seen "condoning" them. So they say "you can't buy it at the PX" and it's done. People serving in the military don't seem to have any trouble getting hold of these things, and the military organization can say "we've done what we can". Everybody's happy. I don't see what the big deal is.
I thought the armed forces run their bases as they see fit. To hell with so-called civil liberties and all that pretentious ballocks - they aren't civilians. If the Brig wants to ban a game, so what? If the Brig wants to ban married men from watching Sex in the City, you'd better not cop a peek. He'll have your knackers on a silver plate me old china.
Who's complaining anyhow? Is it the servicemen? Is it the game manufacturer? Is it some disgruntled game-playing-saddo that thinks he has a right to feel disgruntled about something that doesn't affect him directly? This world's getting pettier by the minute. Huh, I can see a law suit coming on. That'll help - not.