HazardTW
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No. I secretly want Vista to take over and everyone to see Windows for what i really is.
(Could I be more ambiguous about this?)
scru
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HazardTW
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XP has been out too long already
Nt4 was supported 1996 to 2004 (they extended it)
Xp will be 2001 - 2012ish for Pro SP2
making XP SP2 the lomgest surving windows OS
jbennet
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wont it be SP3 Jbennet? Are you actually getting rusty?
scru
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The way I feel about Vista is "Let's Kill the Beast!" and get something better soon from Mr. Bill.
Ene Uran
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NT7 is due very soon - 2009-2012 is the timeframe - vista will have a short release cycle
jbennet
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ah yes, but considering Vista was set to release sometime in 2005 if my memory serves me right. I highly doubt Microsoft can pull of a major OS release in 2009. That's two years. I mean yeah, they'll be using the new Vista codebase and everything, but they got new features to implement and annoyances to ditch. I think we should factor their "talent" for missing a mark into the equation here.
scru
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It's really too bad that Microsft does not have any major (or for that matter even minor) competition. You would think that there are enough smart folks out there that could dream something up that is better for the average consumer.
With 'better' I mean friendlier, less annoying, leaner, with intelligent security build in. I don't even ask for cheaper.
Ene Uran
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I hear OS X is good, but heck, what do I know? I've never used it. Plus it can't really quite just conclusively be installed on a PC...
scru
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Most of my artsy friends use OS X, and like it, but then they are different all-together.
Ene Uran
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ah yes, but considering Vista was set to release sometime in 2005 if my memory serves me right. I highly doubt Microsoft can pull of a major OS release in 2009. That's two years. I mean yeah, they'll be using the new Vista codebase and everything, but they got new features to implement and annoyances to ditch. I think we should factor their "talent" for missing a mark into the equation here.
ms have said that future windows releases will be like in the 9x days. with a new OS every 2-3 years
NT7 will probably be based on server 2008
jbennet
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ms have said that future windows releases will be like in the 9x days. with a new OS every 2-3 years
Dude that's not...good...
scru
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wont it be SP3 Jbennet? Are you actually getting rusty?
Correct, SP3 will be out fairly soon.It's really too bad that Microsft does not have any major (or for that matter even minor) competition. You would think that there are enough smart folks out there that could dream something up that is better for the average consumer.
Minor competition: Mac OS, Linux, Unix.With 'better' I mean friendlier, less annoying, leaner, with intelligent security build in. I don't even ask for cheaper.
Unfortunately, the main roadblock to that is money. Building an OS isn't cheap in the slightest, and making it secure is increasingly difficult. Friendlier/less annoying would be nice. Future versions of Windows will be based on MinWin, which will be a much leaner kernel (about 25MB, whereas a skimpy Server 2008 install is about 1.5GB; on the other hand, MinWin doesn't even have a window manager, it's just the kernel). I wonder how well it will play with existing Windows APIs though...I hear OS X is good, but heck, what do I know? I've never used it. Plus it can't really quite just conclusively be installed on a PC...
Never used it, plus I don't like Apple's products in general. Over-(priced|hyped) for what they really are. Besides, their security record for their most recent release (Leopard) is hardly encouraging.ms have said that future windows releases will be like in the 9x days. with a new OS every 2-3 years
NT7 will probably be based on server 2008
Windows 7 will be based on MinWin, as I mentioned, but otherwise yes, a 2-3 year turnaround is intended. Vista kinda messed everyone up.Dude that's not...good...
Why not? Many products have a 1 year turn-around, and if you go to a 2-3 year span, you'll probably encompass most software. It's not like the OS will run on top of DOS again, it'll just be a faster release cycle.
Infarction
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minwin is not a total rewrite - its a modular NT kernel. (hence the increment of 1 major version)
They are splitting up the components of it so e.g the graphical server isnt a part of the main kernel to prevent a GUI crash taking out the system
and sp3 doesnt bring anything new apart from NAP which will not make any difference to 99% of users. Some have reported a small performance boost of under 10%.
SP3 is more of a rollup than a feature release
jbennet
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minwin is not a total rewrite - its a modular NT kernel. (hence the increment of 1 major version)
They are splitting up the components of it so e.g the graphical server isnt a part of the main kernel to prevent a GUI crash taking out the system
Yeah, they are finally doing it proper IMHO. It is a fairly drastic change from the traditional monolithic OS that Windows has been for so long though. I have high hopes for newer releases.and sp3 doesnt bring anything new apart from NAP which will not make any difference to 99% of users. Some have reported a small performance boost of under 10%.
SP3 is more of a rollup than a feature release
SPs are not supposed to be feature releases, they are intended to be rollups of existing hotfixes and new patches, as you've well described. XP had major security defects and SP 2 ended up including several architectural changes; however, such an event is a rarity. Amazing how after one outlier, a new standard has been set...
Infarction
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Who said anything about feature releases anyway?
Infarction, a new Windows every 2-3 years means that we have to upgrade that often just to keep up. And from what Vista brought to the table, the hardware have to go through the same too.
From my point of view, it's just one big expensive cycle that goes something like this:
New Windows come out, spend six months upgrading hardware to meet requirements
Upgrade to new OS, spend a year (or more? some people still haven't stopped) fussing about change.
Spend additional six months working out the kinks and getting used to new system.
Oops, new Windows is out again. Spend six months upgrading hardware.
scru
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How many attempts does it take to write an OS - 10, 20 maybe?
> They are splitting up the components of it so e.g the graphical server isnt a part of the
> main kernel to prevent a GUI crash taking out the system
So something everyone else was doing 20 years ago is finally realised by MS as a good thing.
With a decent modular kernel, we wouldn't need a new OS every time there's a new version of say DirectX to be pushed out for the masses.
W2K was the peak IMO. Indeed, my XP has all the kiddie UI elements turned off. Which lets face it, once you're past the "oohhh aaaahhh" phase (a couple of minutes usually) add nothing and waste time. I don't need to see my menus animate for half a second every time. Sure XP adds a little stability, and it handles USB better for example, but that didn't need a whole new OS just to manage that.
Same old jar, different candy sums up Microsoft offerings.
I mean, if they actually ever finished a product they would go out of business. They have to churn the products to keep the revenue streams alive.
"Hasta la Vista, Baby"
Salem
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