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You only say that because that's how you have been conditioned to think. I agree it is much more easier for authorities agencies to restrict you to the point of making you a baggage.
Also, I would conceit that security is used as a pretext to control. But not, I do not agree that security and freedom are antithesis of each other.
I do not think that they are always antithesis of each other.. Sometimes, due mostly to technology, we can ensure our safety at the same time as respecting our freedoms. However, this is not always the case. And yes, the concerns of attack and helplessness are often used by tyrannic governments to seize our freedoms..
This willing forfeit that you speak of was not my choice. Whether I wanted it or not, nobody asked me.
Well, we are not a republic.. However, you did make a decision indirectly. Your congress representatives voted on the patriot act for you. They voted to restrict your freedoms and you voted for them.. Thus, you did indirectly vote to forfeit your freedoms.
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Very very indirectly, I voted for nobody yet, as I just turned voting age, I would not have voted for some people that made it to office, and the ones I would have voted for did not have enough congressional support to trump their opponents. I was only able to vote for a very very small fraction of these people. Many American elections require clothespin votes in which we have no other choice. And the United States is most certainly a republic. If you don't think so, pick up a copy of the constitution.
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Well, we are not a republic..
I must be not understanding what you are saying. As far as I know we are a federal constitutional republic.
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However, you did make a decision indirectly. Your congress representatives voted on the patriot act for you. They voted to restrict your freedoms and you voted for them.. Thus, you did indirectly vote to forfeit your freedoms.
Very typical of the common "leading" folklore: once you elect a representative you are bound to accept every decision coming from him/her as the word of the Supreme.
Unfortunately, many justify their laziness to vigilance in that way.
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And the United States is most certainly a republic. If you don't think so, pick up a copy of the constitution.
Naw, we are slowly becoming more and more liberalized.. The Socialist States of America aint too far off. Due to this protection v. freedoms loophole, our politicians are slowly taking our rights from us. What with hidden street cameras, the government spying on our conversations, confiscating our laptops, spying on us through social networks such as facebook and myspace, etc..

The liberals are beginning their global takeover by spreading their propaganda about inequality, global warming, health concerns, etc.
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Very typical of the common "leading" folklore: once you elect a representative you are bound to accept every decision coming from him/her as the word of the Supreme.
Unfortunately, many justify their laziness to vigilance in that way.
I didn't say that you were bound to accept their decisions. Just that your vote went towards forfeiting freedoms. If you have a problem with this, then you should join some special interest group or contact your rep.
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I didn't say that you were bound to accept their decisions.
Yes, you didn't.
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Just that your vote went towards forfeiting freedoms.
Sad, that in the beginning the voting process was to elect a representative that would ensure the protection of that freedom established.
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Naw, we are slowly becoming more and more liberalized.. The Socialist States of America aint too far off. Due to this protection v. freedoms loophole, our politicians are slowly taking our rights from us. What with hidden street cameras, the government spying on our conversations, confiscating our laptops, spying on us through social networks such as facebook and myspace, etc..

The liberals are beginning their global takeover by spreading their propaganda about inequality, global warming, health concerns, etc.
Those are the types of things liberals are against. It's the patriot act that allows much of this anway. And considering our last eight years of presidency, supreme court, cia, etc. we are EXTREMELY far from socialism and much closer to a neo-fascist type state.
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Yes, you didn't.
You mean "Yes, you did"
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.. However, you did make a decision indirectly. Your congress representatives voted on the patriot act for you. They voted to restrict your freedoms and you voted for them.. Thus, you did indirectly vote to forfeit your freedoms.
My point was simply that you DID vote, indirectly of course. Your representative voted your 'shares' to limit freedoms.. whether you agreed or not.

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Sad, that in the beginning the voting process was to elect a representative that would ensure the protection of that freedom established.
It is indeed.
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Those are the types of things liberals are against. It's the patriot act that allows much of this anway. And considering our last eight years of presidency, supreme court, cia, etc. we are EXTREMELY far from socialism and much closer to a neo-fascist type state.
What? Liberals are for a stronger federal government, and want more control over its people. Liberals want more control over businesses and government regulations of private corporations..
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No, liberals are against hidden street cameras, spying on our conversations, confiscating our laptops, and spying on us through social networks.
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