I would say liberals are against more control over its people by giving them more social freedoms, unlike conservatives (ie. gay rights, abortions choices, and other social issues)

Only if they themselves aren't doing it...
In the UK for example, where they're all powerful, they're doing all of that in abundance (and more) and are still not content with the amount of control they have over peoples' lifes.

You're quite mistaken. To see what "liberals" want, look no further than China under Mao, the USSR under Stalin, or Cambodia under Pol Pot.
That's the TRUE face of the "liberal", which they are quite good at hiding around election time.

I'm sorry, but that looks like semi-tautological reasoning to me. From what I've seen, with the possible exception of 'hate' crimes dealing with sexual orientation, 'Hate Crimes' are those crimes committed by whites against non-whites. And exactly what defines a 'hate' crime anyway? You ever seen or heard of someone killed because the killer liked them too well?

And yet, these are the people who you're willing to allow to read our thoughts for us...[see above; I have yet to see the slightest hint of 'hate crime' legislation in any form that didn't originate with a liberal somewhere]

Trust me, Orwell's warnings were against the kind of stuff liberals would like to be able to do. And now, since we've got liberals teaching the classes most places, they recast Orwell as presaging conservative actions instead.

Trust you? Liberals want ... what? My God, Enderx, where have you been, what have you been watching for the last several years? Surely not the goings on in the good-ol' USofA .. The conservatives have taken away more rights in the last few years than we lost collectively in the previous 50.

Don't forget that the whole notion that what business wants to do is all fair game in the name of a buck. Google could only be more Orwellian if they had our DNA mapped out and on file. And please, don't talk about their "intent" and what nice guys they are, they simply have no business whatsoever in keeping our private words and transactions forever after we've gone through the motion of deleting them. There can be no moral or ethical reason to do so.

And they, while perhaps the biggest perpetrators, are by no means alone. In fact, they are simply the very visible tip of the iceberg.

This is all being done in the name of (conservative) business "ethics". We cannot conduct business, that is, earn a living and retain rights to privacy. The conservatives are not fighting for our rights. they simply slipped away unnoticed.

Rights? (What rights?) We have none. This is a free country only by a great stretch of the imagination.Our President simply signs law into affect that we have no say over. Even when we get upset, we are easily manipulated.

Because "liberals" wanted to take my firearms, yet I believed in giving first consideration to ecology while otherwise keeping the governments hand out of my business and not supporting lazy bums with my hard earned dollars, I considered myself a "liberal conservative" ... until recently.

Then, (duh,) I came to realize that they all are self-serving ********; Liberal and Conservative alike. There's no longer any meaningful distinction between the two parties in that neither of them gives a damn about personal rights or freedoms.

Mind you I'm not talking about individuals, just principles.

We are in a much more Orwellian state today than we were 10 years ago, and ... for the record, I had no love for Clinton.

I can't say for certain in the here and now. However, I would submit that, in all likelihood, the politics of a party in the 'now' are defined as a progression of their politics in the 'then'. And while Orwell's writings were, as I recall, mostly aimed at British liberalism/socialism, and Stalinist socialism thereby, I submit that there is no longer any great difference between the British version then and the current American version. You are, of course, quite free to claim I am wrong; and if you believe I am wrong then I find it unlikely you would choose to say otherwise. I still stand by what I have observed. Perhaps I am not the most observant of men; still, I cannot claim I have seen anything other than what my own eyes have viewed, nor to have heard anything other than what my own ears have caught.

I am here now. Not then. I know things were different then, which is sort of, or at least, part of my point.

So let me be clear on this, since perhaps I am not.

Do you, in the now, maintain that "Liberals" are leading us toward an Orwellian state, whilst "Conservatives" are not?

Are you in, or referring to the US or elsewhere?

I am interested in what you have observed, whether I now agree with it or not. I come to any discussion to learn, not to simply fight for my current beliefs. My beliefs are the tools of my learning. There might be better tools, but they are what I know to use.

Orwell also predicted that people would be so indoctrinated by IngSoc and its propaganda and changes in the language that they'd no longer understand the difference between truth and lies, and would believe anything IngSoc told them.

Brian's insistence that socialism is right and conservatism is wrong in all things is proof positive of the fact that that state has now been reached...
Because while not yet in total control of the US government, far left ideologues are fully in control of the US educational system and press, leaving them free to install their ideas in the minds of people.

The idea that only white people (and specifically white men) can be guilty of hate crimes (in fact the very fact that they're white men means they're guilty) is another indication of this.
Of course the very definition of "hate crime" is frighteningly close to Orwell's description of thought crime, where the fact that you have ideas that IngSoc doesn't agree with means you're a criminal.

i love that book

As a work of fiction, yes.
As a living reality (which ever more people are experiencing, in Europe now but coming to the US as well), no.

In the UK there is now 1 surveillance camera for every 4 people, every person is videotaped on average 20 times a day or more (so roughly once an hour throughout the day on average).
And the latest cameras are fitted with speakers so the operator can give someone he sees doind something he doesn't like a stern talking to or order people to wait for police to arrive and take them into custody.