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Re: A scary Halloween to everyone!

Please - one of the rules of this discussion/argument is no ad hominem attacks, the other was no name calling. Please edit your content to match the rules of the game.
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What makes you think your creation mythology is any better than say the Babylonian Creation Myth, except that you have the internet to spread your rumors around.
If you are going to join the discussion, at least take the time to read what I have to say, I think it was only a paragraph. I am not saying that my mythology is any better than yours, I am saying that yours is not any better than mine.

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Personally, I prefer things based on EVIDENCE.
The observed facts are there for all to see, for the want of looking. The "theory" is the current attempt at explaining all the observed facts. If new facts emerge which challenge the "theory", then the "theory" will change. It may change a little, or it could be a radical rethink (like Newtonian Gravity to General Relativity, which in turn will be replaced by something else). But I'm damn sure that "god-did-it" will NOT be a part of any radical change.
I don't see any "evidence". You show me one cat with wings(dead or alive) and I might consider it.

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And when scientists are arguing over the theory of evolution, it's down in the detail (like exactly what shade of red the apple is). They're not (like you mystics) in various camps saying "It's an apple, it's a banana, it's an elephant".
Are you blind? The Christian belief is shared by more people than you may think.

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Do you accept mathematics because it's all provable (it isn't), or because there isn't some alternative loony going around saying 2+2=5 and a whole bunch of people following him because they think he's onto something.

Which is another point, are you a christian of convenience because it's a lot easier to follow all the other sheep in the neighbourhood, or would you be there right at the end with no one to listen to your "2+2=5 bleating" anymore?

If you want to go with whatever some illiterate goatherder from a couple of millenia ago came up with following an acid trip (caused by eating moldy bread say), and spending too much time in the sun listening to a singing bush, and because a whole bunch of others also think the same, then that's your problem and I'd thank you to keep it to yourself.
I proposed myself in a very respectful manor and would appreciate it if you did the same. If you have a problem with people having other beliefs than yours then maybe a forum isn't the right place for you. I'm not asking you to be a Christian I am simply telling you that I also exist, have the right to do so and would appreciate it if you would not press your beliefs onto my children. That's right, I said "beliefs" since there is really little significant evidence to prove otherwise. Again, show me any evidence of a significant mid-transformation and I might reconsider. According to the theory, a species makes a change and if that change is good it sticks and if it is bad it dies. The ones that stick then breed more just like it and a transformation happens again and then that may stick or die. According to this there should be several examples of mid-transformations but yet there are not. So you my friend believe this because scientists say so. I believe what I believe because evidence has been shown to me on a personal level that I refuse to get into with you.
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Let's start with the word 'theory' - explain to me what you mean when you say 'just a theory', that seems pretty dismissive so I am not sure how to argue with that sentiment. The reason I ask is because relativity is just a theory, gravity is just a theory.

I do not think you can offer as much proof for Christianity as I can for evolution but that is not the argument - the argument is about evolution, whether it is a science or belief.
Relativity and gravity can be measured to the smallest nth degree. They have been tested time and time again and prove themselves to stand against any known phenomena so therefore are defined by specific laws that cannot be broken. On the other hand as I stated before to the previous rude gentleman, the biggest thing that I see(or don't see) is any significant evidence that this is really happening. If there were, it could be measured. We could say look, here is a lizard with wings. Oh and this one has a beak. This lizard has a different wing type. These examples would be everywhere and we would have many more types of species than we do because of the several combinations of changes that might have taken place.

We don't see this, we see several well defined species. Therefore the theory of Evolution remains just that, a theory, and the laws that define it do not explain everything that is going on. Evolution is an assumed axiom, and nothing more.
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Well, happy scary Halloween to everyone! I usually take my sister's kids to collect large amounts of candy in one of the filthy rich LA neighborhoods.
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To be honest I cannot tell you why I believe what I believe accept that certain events have happened in my life to sway me in that direction. I know that it is extremely far fetched but, until the required evidence is found, no more far fetched than Evolution

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Evolution is an assumed axiom, and nothing more.
What I meant to say was an unproven assumed axiom. Why does the government consider this OK to be taught in school over any other religion, because it came from a scientific theory? How can this be a requirement in school when it has just as many holes as any other religion?

Let me ask you a question. Can you explain Evolution to someone without including the word "Believe"? I'll say not, because that is all that it is at this point is a belief.
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Re: A scary Halloween to everyone!

Scary things other than creationism:

Bloodshed - where the Red Cross keeps the plasma

Cemetary - bone zone.

Headline: "Due to strike, grave-digging at cemetary will be done by skeleton crews"
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To be honest I cannot tell you why I believe what I believe accept that certain events have happened in my life to sway me in that direction. I know that it is extremely far fetched but, until the required evidence is found, no more far fetched than Evolution


What I meant to say was an unproven assumed axiom. Why does the government consider this OK to be taught in school over any other religion, because it came from a scientific theory? How can this be a requirement in school when it has just as many holes as any other religion?

Let me ask you a question. Can you explain Evolution to someone without including the word "Believe"? I'll say not, because that is all that it is at this point is a belief.
Stop hijacking threads and start your own!
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A warning to witches everywhere, don't drink and fly!
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A warning to witches everywhere, don't drink and fly!
Great picture! Drunk witches are a real problem here too!
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This is the mask I am going to wear:
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