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Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

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Can you provide a link?
I can't really beat hughv's link, but here's one discussing fruit-flies' evolutionary immunity to DDT.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/DD...ce_Spread.html

It's a perfect example of natural selection. If you're immune to DDT, you live and pass on the gene. If you're not, you die and you don't pass on the genes which are vulnerable to DDT. Same thing with the penicillin-resistant super-bacteria.

No reason to think human beings don't exhibit the same behavior, except on a lesser scale. I'm sure the 1918 flu epidemic caused us to be a much more resilient species, as did the Bubonic Plague earlier. People with weaker immune systems died and didn't pass their genes on. Those with stronger immune systems survived and had children.
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I can't really beat hughv's link, but here's one discussing fruit-flies' evolutionary immunity to DDT.

http://www.terradaily.com/reports/DD...ce_Spread.html

It's a perfect example of natural selection. If you're immune to DDT, you live and pass on the gene. If you're not, you die and you don't pass on the genes which are vulnerable to DDT. Same thing with the penicillin-resistant super-bacteria.

No reason to think human beings don't exhibit the same behavior, except on a lesser scale. I'm sure the 1918 flu epidemic caused us to be a much more resilient species, as did the Bubonic Plague earlier. People with weaker immune systems died and didn't pass their genes on. Those with stronger immune systems survived and had children.
I have no doubt that a species can become immune to a specific virus. But this is not proof of Evolution. According to evolutionists, it takes several thousands of years for a species to make drastic physical changes. For example, a fish to grow legs. Of course legs would not grow perfect initially because that is the nature of deformities, so they would have to be refined through generation to generation. But we are not talking about generation to generation, we are talking about 100s of generations to 100s of generations. And this process happens for every change a species goes through. I'm pretty sure that if this process happened for every single development in every species on the planet that it would be very evident through fossils and there would be no question. You would see steps in the Evolution chain because every single one of these changes requires thousands of years of development and the spawn of millions of species with that same deformity.

Since this the way Evolution works, species would be much more closely related then they are because of the statistical amount of spawn and time required between changes in the physical makeup of a species. You would not see fish and lizards, you would see fish, fish with legs, fish with tails, fish with legs and claws, lizards with fins, lizards with gills, fish with the ability to eat flies by flipping their tongue into the air like a frog, etc... Species and families of species would be much more closely related then they are now and it would be obvious to the standard intelligent human which path in the Evolution chain a species came from and Evolution would in fact be measurable like other scientific theories.

Because it is not so obvious, just saying that because flies and cockroaches can develop immunities is not saying that Evolution is a fact. It's not even coming close.

For this reason, the only difference that I see between Creationism and Evolution is the supernatural aspect, otherwise they are on the same level of improbability.
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For this reason, the only difference that I see between Creationism and Evolution is the supernatural aspect, otherwise they are on the same level of improbability.
Well, there's just a little bit more to it than that:
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01
http://www.natcenscied.org/evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ions#Evolution
http://www.natcenscied.org/creationism
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Best argument for evolution: We've seen it happen and verified it many times in other animals like flies, which have lifespans short enough and have enough offspring per generation that we can see it quickly
Take antibiotic resistant bacteria. A random mutation in one bacteria turned out to be beneficial, so it didnt die when all its friends did, therefore it had a competitive edge and managed to outcompete them, hence the problems we now have with antibiotic resistant bacteria.

This is a good example of natural selection. survival of the fittest, and evolution, and its easy to see because said bacteria multiply extremely fast, so the chance of a benificial mutation is quite high.
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Take antibiotic resistant bacteria. A random mutation in one bacteria turned out to be beneficial, so it didnt die when all its friends did, therefore it had a competitive edge and managed to outcompete them, hence the problems we now have with antibiotic resistant bacteria.

This is a good example of natural selection. survival of the fittest, and evolution, and its easy to see because said bacteria multiply extremely fast, so the chance of a benificial mutation is quite high.
A good example of evolution over a very short time span! You also have to look at evolution over a very large time span, let's say 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000! light years. I propose that even GOD has evolved over such a long time. For worse or better, I don't know.

Note: Yes, that is meant to be a factorial.
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A good example of evolution over a very short time span! You also have to look at evolution over a very large time span, let's say 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000! light years. I propose that even GOD has evolved over such a long time. For worse or better, I don't know.

Note: Yes, that is meant to be a factorial.
Umm, not to be a Dic*, or anything, but Light years isnt measured in time...
Its measured in Distance. I'm confused, Im a cristian, but I beleive in Evolution @_@.
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This is actually very simple.
The "Theory" of evolution is based on scientifically tested, and testable, evidence.There are flaws, and much remains to be learned, but evolution is a fact, and those who wish to explore the literature will soon come to that conclusion.
Those "against" evolution might just as well be "against" gravity. Over time, natural selection will weed these unfortunates from the gene pool (and the work force) and the rest of us can go about our business.
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This is actually very simple.
The "Theory" of evolution is based on scientifically tested, and testable, evidence.There are flaws, and much remains to be learned, but evolution is a fact, and those who wish to explore the literature will soon come to that conclusion.
Those "against" evolution might just as well be "against" gravity. Over time, natural selection will weed these unfortunates from the gene pool (and the work force) and the rest of us can go about our business.
Humans evolved(not saying from monkeys, just saying we evolved). Look back maybe 500 years, we didnt have electricity. Humans do evolve. If we didnt evolve, how come were so smart compared to 1000 years ago?

Plus everything is Fact. Fact is something that can be proven.
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evolution does NOT say that humans evolved from apes. Its a common misconception. What it says is that at some point, they had a commoin ancestor.
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Thats right jbennet, but at some point every species on earth had a common ancestor.

I havent heard any (decent) arguments against evolution, but I think that would be expected since most people with any amount of education and reason can see the truth. Time = Change, whether it be the mountains on earth, formed through the forces of its core, or the traits we possess, formed through the forces of our core - DNA.
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