943,929 Members | Top Members by Rank

Ad:
You are currently viewing page 5 of this multi-page discussion thread; Jump to the first page
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by sneekula ...
You won, congratulations!
Why don't you evolve?
Aia
Reputation Points: 2224
Solved Threads: 218
Nearly a Posting Maven
Aia is offline Offline
2,304 posts
since Dec 2006
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

@steven woodman
>Why. how were you trained?
The same way than you, and there's not double hidden meaning in my words. Accepting the same material and text book and opinions, and dissertations, and scientific studies, as you have exposed in that "brief" example.
And then I had to untrained myself. Because, ultimately, no one has come with the answer. And primarily, because it is this binary thinking mode what's troubling the subject.
The absence of evidence is not proof in itself. I might add.

Still, it is not a wondering for me, that this topic will keep popping up continually until this Earth ceases to exist, or we'll kill each other in the process of imposing the wrongness of our ideas.
Aia
Reputation Points: 2224
Solved Threads: 218
Nearly a Posting Maven
Aia is offline Offline
2,304 posts
since Dec 2006
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

some very important questions

a) why does there have to be a creator - why cant we just be?
b) who is to say god didnt create evolution?
Moderator
Featured Poster
Reputation Points: 1784
Solved Threads: 574
Moderator
jbennet is offline Offline
16,520 posts
since Apr 2005
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by Aia ...
The absence of evidence is not proof in itself.
No, I agree, it is not. But, the difference here, is that only one belief has an absence of evidence and that is creationism. there is tons of supporting evidence for evolution.
Reputation Points: 86
Solved Threads: 8
Banned
steven woodman is offline Offline
442 posts
since Mar 2008
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by grumpier ...
My case in support of evolution is much simpler. And it works whether the creationists are right or not.

1) If there is no creator, then things must have evolved somehow.

2) No intelligent creator will just build everything first go: there will be trial runs, false starts, starting over, etc. That is evolution!

No need to prove that people are descended from apes (although a lot of people provide strong evidence in support of this).

The only thing needed to disprove my theory is proof of the existence of a creator and then proof that creator does everything on the first go.

Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by grumpier ...
If you read my post again, you will see that I did not claim my theory is proven. I noted the way to disprove my theory is to prove the existence of a creator, and then prove that creator does not require evolution. You are asserting that is the case, not offering proof. Offer proof of your assertion, and I will concede my theory is incorrect. Otherwise, I will maintain that it is not disproven.

If you prove the existence of such an unflawed creator, you will have disproved my theory and you will also have the option of finding and asking her.
I did reread your post. I'm not arguing for or against the existence of a Creator. The key phrase is this:

Quote ...
And it works whether the creationists are right or not.
If the Creationists are right, then the Creator is an extraordinarily skilled Creationist who doesn't make mistakes. Thus your point below isn't true. The intelligent Creator posited by Creationists could very well build everything right the first time, have no trial runs, never have a false start, and never need to start over.

Quote ...
2) No intelligent creator will just build everything first go: there will be trial runs, false starts, starting over, etc.
Similarly, if the "creationists are right", then point 1 is irrelevant too:

Quote ...
1) If there is no creator, then things must have evolved somehow.
If the Creationists are right, then there IS a Creator, so the second part of the premise about evolution is irrelevant.
Featured Poster
Reputation Points: 2614
Solved Threads: 687
Posting Expert
VernonDozier is offline Offline
5,375 posts
since Jan 2008
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

No, I agree, it is not. But, the difference here, is that only one belief has an absence of evidence and that is creationism. there is tons of supporting evidence for evolution.
Well, then you have many more years of reading until you'll get to the point when you can accept that those "tons of supporting evidences" are not such "supporting evidence" but rather a "subjective interpretation" of piece of facts, that are only facts through that "filtered" interpretation.

You can scream about it, you can sing about, you can pray about it and you can joke about it, and yet, at the end of the day, the answer is still the same. No one has an answer.
But I am sure you think you do.
Aia
Reputation Points: 2224
Solved Threads: 218
Nearly a Posting Maven
Aia is offline Offline
2,304 posts
since Dec 2006
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

oh i do, i do.

This thread was started by grim to setup an intelligent debate on creationism vs evolution, so pick a side and go with it. if not you shouldnt be typing anything. No one has an absolute answer, that is true, but, the overwhelming evidence points towards evolution. An intelligent interpretation is what gives us all our theories.

In a debate such as this there needs to be no definite answer. If there was, then there would be no debate.
Reputation Points: 86
Solved Threads: 8
Banned
steven woodman is offline Offline
442 posts
since Mar 2008
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

>oh i do, i do.
I thought so.

>This thread was started by grim to setup an intelligent debate on creationism vs evolution, so pick a side and go with it. if not you shouldnt be typing anything.

Boy, what a perfect sample of what I started indicating you are. In absolutism your mind works. Impossible for you to see beyond is.

That's alright, you can have the last word ( those you are going to post after this ). I won't answer to your comments any more.
But mistaken you are in thinking as the ultimate authority on what should or should not be included in the conversation.
Last edited by Aia; Oct 31st, 2008 at 3:05 pm.
Aia
Reputation Points: 2224
Solved Threads: 218
Nearly a Posting Maven
Aia is offline Offline
2,304 posts
since Dec 2006
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

I will have the last word Aia and it will be this:

I am not upset and nor should you be. this is just a meaningless debate on an unprovable subject. I dont think i am the ultimate authority and that you can be sure of.

You think that you can judge me by some posts on a forum, well sir/ma,am i will do the same. You are shallow, and think you know so much about people because you are so beyond them.

all i was looking for from you was a single statement of your belief on this matter but, all ive seen is aimless arguing.

Not once did you have a relevant opinion. Just spiteful wishwash.

So the last word to you is a good one.It refers to what i have done with your posts. And that word is: FLOCCI­NAUCINI­HILIPIL­IFICATION
Last edited by steven woodman; Oct 31st, 2008 at 3:13 pm.
Reputation Points: 86
Solved Threads: 8
Banned
steven woodman is offline Offline
442 posts
since Mar 2008
Oct 31st, 2008
0

Re: Theory of Evolution - argument for/against

Sorry for the multiple post guys but i just wanted to get this off my inbox. Aia just sent me a private message which is in quotes. When i tried to reply (under quotes) it wouldnt let me send because i was blocked or something. so this is how i will respond to him/her:

Quote originally posted by Aia ...
I am not upset. Nothing you can said can upset me. I don't know you, you don't know me.
My believes are for me to know, and for you to wonder.
I don't judge you, you expose yourself with your words.
This is a courtesy e-mail. Nothing more.
If you don't want your beliefs to be known, then why post on a belief based subject. That makes no sense.

You attack others beliefs but refuse to state your own??????

Thanks for the courtesy but i really don't need it.
Reputation Points: 86
Solved Threads: 8
Banned
steven woodman is offline Offline
442 posts
since Mar 2008

This thread is more than three months old

No one has posted to this discussion for at least three months. Please let old threads die and do not reply to them unless you feel you have something new and valuable to contribute that absolutely must be added to make the discussion complete. Otherwise, please start a new thread in this forum instead.
Message:
Previous Thread in Geeks' Lounge Forum Timeline: Helpminutes left! from a desperate mom!
Next Thread in Geeks' Lounge Forum Timeline: Happy new Year to All





About Us | Contact Us | Advertise | Acceptable Use Policy
Forum Index | Build Custom RSS Feed


Follow us on Twitter


© 2011 DaniWeb® LLC