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Re: Do ghosts really exist?

We have a lot of ghosts here in St Louis -- they even vote every election year
Ya true ! In here too !
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> (To jephthah): you can talk about your personal experiences and beliefs, but people who go around making declarative statements about the existence or non-existence of things that cant be demonstrated one way or another are full of shit.

I tend to agree with this, too ... But then, something that cannot be proved to exist, doesn't need to mean that it does not exist: It could still be a very real thing, only we haven't found any way to explain its existence (Even the domain of conventional Science, this is a fact), and like you say - "people who go around making declarative statements about the existence or non-existence of things that cant be demonstrated one way or another" - are indeed full of shit

> (To Ene Uran): I wouldn't as well Such places give me the creeps, 'specially at night
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Yes they exists , like we are made of mass , they are made of energy , if inanimate mass can evolve to a complex species like human being in few billions years, Why cannot eneregy evolve to form a complex ghost .

Now you need to find out ways to communicate with them.
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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by ithelp ...
Yes they exists , like we are made of mass , they are made of energy , if inanimate mass can evolve to a complex species like human being in few billions years, Why cannot eneregy evolve to form a complex ghost .

Now you need to find out ways to communicate with them.
> if inanimate mass can evolve to a complex species like human being in few billions years

My view: Mass can never be inanimate, as atoms make up any mass, and atoms are certainly not inanimate (atoms posses some amount of motion)... Maybe you meant inanimate as "inorganic", "non-living", or something along those lines. We are all basically made up of "non-living" atoms, even after all those years of evolution. We are just lucky that this soup of "non-living" matter came together under the right conditions, at the right time, all those aeons ago, to make up the basis of all life: amino acids and then proteins and the related.

> Why cannot energy evolve to form a complex ghost?

Energy is something that is always associated with a physical Force. Force, in turn, always relates with mass, 'm', travelling with an acceleration, 'a', as F = m.a, at least in Newtonian Mechanics. It is not unknown that Energy is always associated with mass even in quantum physics, and is made apparent by Einstein's famous equation, E = mc^2, where 'm' is mass. Energy cannot evolve, as such, into something self-contained and free from physical association (be it gravitational force, or something more obscure). Energy is not capable of becoming something else (transforming) until an external trigger acts on it, and always remains a form of energy that is again associated with mass. See this for more information. Similarly, Energy cannot manifest itself into a physical force, because it always depends on force to exist.
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I like the simpletons way of looking at it.

Hard drive comes out of the factory, it weighs Xx.xx amount, it's basicly void.

Tech puts it into a machine, user loads up 500gb of information to it, now it has substance in it, motion, pictures and complex programs etc..

but the funny thing is that- it still weighs Xx.xx amount, and before anyone gets all smarty on my simpletons theory- I'll preempt your logic in this: Yes there is something added to it, it's called information (chew on that one!)

So as for ghost's- well maybe they are information without a hard drive! WOOOOOOOOOO! OOOoooooooo!
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> So as for ghost's- well maybe they are information without a hard drive! WOOOOOOOOOO! OOOoooooooo!

Oh My! I haven't laughed myself silly like I have just now in a long time ... Good point though ... but then, how does this information persist in the environment??
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Here's a simple test. Go into a cemetery on the night of Halloween. Stay there for one hour. If you don't see something moving there, that means ghosts don't exists. If you do, chase after it.
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> ... but then, how does this information persist in the environment??
Hey now! No fair,

I said it was the simpletons theory! But if you must persist, then be prepared to be doubley frightened! Because the answer is no less scary than it is simple:

The information persists in the environment in the same why it did before it was placed on the hard drive only collectively due to it's conception on the hard drive!

Double WOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooo!
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Re: Do ghosts really exist?
I truly believe that "Ghosts" (Spirits) exist....

They are all round us
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Spirits are not ghosts!
Spirits are part of the spiritual world that is part of each being.
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