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>can someone give me a single example of an OS which doesn't bundle a browser
Yeah, Windows Seven EU release.
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My personal worst horror story regarding bundling, and it's a very common horror story, is the bundling of my laptop with Vista Home when I bought it two or three years ago. Vista was new, I didn't want it and I definitely didn't want Vista HOME, but I had absolutely no choice in the matter. Everything in the store had Vista on it so it wasn't like I could buy a different laptop. Vista, at that time, hadn't worked out the kinks yet to say the least. I couldn't install XP since there were and I think still are no drivers for it for this laptop. You don't get a Vista Home disk with the laptop. You get a System Restore disk, which is bundled with all of the Microsoft special offers, stuff like that, so you have to uninstall all that junk. You CAN'T uninstall Internet Explorer even if it's corrupted, I don't think, which mine is. Ditto with Windows Exlorer and Windows Media Player, I believe, which is constantly crashing. Etc., etc. I don't know if it's the fact that I don't have the plain old Vista disk but instead have the System Restore disk. End result is the laptop came bundled with a (at that time) new OS that I don't want to use and which was constantly crashing and I had no way to change to XP. I suppose I could have changed it to Linux. And I can't simply completely uninstall the programs I don't want.

I know I am not the only one who has had this bad experience. If I had wanted to volunteer to be a Vista beta tester, I would have done so.
Your example was more of an OEM bundling A LOT of other apps with Vista which you seem to be biased against (like a lot of people). What if your system had been bundled with XP instead? I'm sure you would have been satisfied with the product and performance despite the OEM bundling it's own software. Indeed, XP also would have been bundled with IE and WMP and you would simply have chosen to install FF/Opera/Safari and use that instead. How is that Microsoft's fault?
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My personal worst horror story regarding bundling, and it's a very common horror story, is the bundling of my laptop with Vista Home when I bought it two or three years ago. Vista was new, I didn't want it and I definitely didn't want Vista HOME, but I had absolutely no choice in the matter. Everything in the store had Vista on it so it wasn't like I could buy a different laptop. Vista, at that time, hadn't worked out the kinks yet to say the least. I couldn't install XP since there were and I think still are no drivers for it for this laptop. You don't get a Vista Home disk with the laptop. You get a System Restore disk, which is bundled with all of the Microsoft special offers, stuff like that, so you have to uninstall all that junk. You CAN'T uninstall Internet Explorer even if it's corrupted, I don't think, which mine is. Ditto with Windows Exlorer and Windows Media Player, I believe, which is constantly crashing. Etc., etc. I don't know if it's the fact that I don't have the plain old Vista disk but instead have the System Restore disk. End result is the laptop came bundled with a (at that time) new OS that I don't want to use and which was constantly crashing and I had no way to change to XP. I suppose I could have changed it to Linux. And I can't simply completely uninstall the programs I don't want.


I know I am not the only one who has had this bad experience. If I had wanted to volunteer to be a Vista beta tester, I would have done so.
Your example was more of an OEM bundling A LOT of other apps with Vista which you seem to be biased against (like a lot of people). What if your system had been bundled with XP instead? I'm sure you would have been satisfied with the product and performance despite the OEM bundling it's own software. Indeed, XP also would have been bundled with IE and WMP and you would simply have chosen to install FF/Opera/Safari and use that instead. How is that Microsoft's fault?

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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by goldeagle2005 ...
Your example was more of an OEM bundling A LOT of other apps with Vista which you seem to be biased against (like a lot of people). What if your system had been bundled with XP instead? I'm sure you would have been satisfied with the product and performance despite the OEM bundling it's own software. Indeed, XP also would have been bundled with IE and WMP and you would simply have chosen to install FF/Opera/Safari and use that instead. How is that Microsoft's fault?
It's the lack of choice that bugs me. It takes a few Service Packs before an Operating System gets the kinks out, and it takes time. Vista was pretty new at the time, so it was buggy, and some of the software that worked just fine with XP had problems on Vista, largely with the UAC Control stuff. But there was other stuff too. I'm thinking particularly of programs that used MySQL. I remember having nothing but headaches doing stuff that worked just fine with XP.

XP was probably the exact same way when it first came out. Vista's probably stabilized much better by now. The point is that I think I should have been given a choice, and yes, I would have picked XP if given the choice and the bundled stuff wouldn't have bugged me as much. It's all about given the choice of Operating System and being given an actual Operating System disk so I can just install the Operating System if I want, with no Microsoft Money trials, etc., rather than Microsoft or anyone else making the choice FOR me. It's like buying a car and everyone being forced to have the same options. You get to pick and choose there. Why not when you buy a computer?
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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by paulthom12345 ...
Everyone (kaninelupus) seems to getting quite annoyed at the fact that google looks at your personal information to get you the most relevant search results. But really i dont see a problem with that. Its not like there is a google employee that is sitting there checking out your personal information and writing it down to blackmail you with it later.
The issue is the poor security protocols in place to KEEP that data private. Given that they have already had leaks, what would stop the determined hacker went for that data in a serious fashion?

The other issue I have is that there is no "opt out" option. For example, when you sign up on almost any forum, or sign up for Hotmail, you get the option NOT to get newsletters, company adverts etc. When it comes to Google, there is no opt out option... if you use their products, consent is automatically given, not only to accept the adverts, but also for them to mine and store any personal stats and info they can so they can specifically tailor what ads they hit you with.

I'm sorry, but I find that completely unacceptable. If I get a private/personal email, I don't like the thought that ANYONE (either a real person or some automated application) can just sift through that email.
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>can someone give me a single example of an OS which doesn't bundle a browser
Yeah, Windows Seven EU release.
Sorry, I just had to.

Not anymore. Now the "pick-a-browser" panel just lets you choose which browser you get. And the OEM can bundle any browser in the "E" builds anyhow (funny how the OEM can, but MS can't!).
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Wow already 4 pages! And I'm glad that a large majority of the people replying have voted against MS. Keep it up!
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>The issue is the poor security protocols in place to KEEP that data private.
I don't see how Google is less secure than other online services. Not to mention the privacy data is processed offline, so protection is alot easer. How do you even know the privacy security protocols are unsecure?

>if you use their products, consent is automatically given, not only to accept the adverts
So your saying Google should stop their entire advertising campaign? How would they make money? What about the companies that advertize?

>I don't like the thought that ANYONE (either a real person or some automated application) can just sift through that email.
So, you don't like it when an email service has a built in antivirus which scan's through your mail? If you don't want a program to process your mail, I'd sugest snail mail. Even than, packages you send maybe put through x-ray machines, and looked at by real people, who also see your name and address.
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Wow already 4 pages! And I'm glad that a large majority of the people replying have voted against MS. Keep it up!
Now this just sounds like the typical anitMS-bandwagoner tripe I come across in all the usual places. It's old-hat and am personally getting sick of it!

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>The issue is the poor security protocols in place to KEEP that data private.
I don't see how Google is less secure than other online services. Not to mention the privacy data is processed offline, so protection is alot easer. How do you even know the privacy security protocols are unsecure?
Well given that recent slips were not even the result of a hack attempt, but a fault at Google's end, that one seems pretty obvious!

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>if you use their products, consent is automatically given, not only to accept the adverts
So your saying Google should stop their entire advertising campaign? How would they make money? What about the companies that advertize?
Advertising is one thing... using ppl's private info to "tailor" said-advertising is another matter all together.

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>I don't like the thought that ANYONE (either a real person or some automated application) can just sift through that email.
So, you don't like it when an email service has a built in antivirus which scan's through your mail? If you don't want a program to process your mail, I'd sugest snail mail. Even than, packages you send maybe put through x-ray machines, and looked at by real people, who also see your name and address.
Now you are just being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic! AV scanning - fine. Scanning for details to then spam me with... F#CK OFF!

Let me put it this way. When it was shown that MS had built into Vista methods to scan any Vista installation to verify authenticity and to possibly shut-down pirated builds (I say possibly as never heard of an example where it actually happened), people screamed loudly over "privacy violations". But when Google scans people's private info with no more justification than customising their ad-ware spam on a user-by-user basis, you're like "hey, Google needs to make money"! WTF??
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Nop,
I believe in GOD. (Google Oriented Development)
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