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Jun 29th, 2005
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Re: RFID tags, big brother is watching?

Hmmm...I'm not sure I like the idea of this. It almost seems like another step in giving the government more and more power which is the exact opposite of what the founders of the constitution wanted.
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Re: RFID tags, big brother is watching?

this technology won't be that different from current ways of tracking.
a majority of people already have cellophanes, credit/debit cards nic IDs and so on
the technology to track is out there and in full use already. this isn't too different.

how ever this allow for a greater technological development. things such as ATMs and other automated / mechanical interactions would become a lot easier to use.

especially moving towards an automated future

as for security / ability to hijack is always a concern with any technology.
personally i don't believe in a flawless or a 100% secure environment, technology, or system

as for the big brother
what you should be concerned about is the laws and governmental restrictions on the technology
things such as allowing the government to freely look through archives of your emails / web browsing, history of calls, credit information, gps.....
currently there is definitely abuse of this. where government or whoever gies behind the laws to access and search through this information
they just can't do much about it because the second they do its a violation and exposing that they did something they wern't supposed to
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Re: RFID tags, big brother is watching?

RFID tags sound great until you have a look at their weak points.

Current tags, 1sqm in size are great, get a metalic plastic bag and they sit inside waiting to be activated as you walk through the detectors. Has happened here in the UK.

Future tags well think of the research that has gone into electronic counter measures and you will see the problems of trying to use these tags against a technically aware population. False numbers, you don't like the ID number your coat is sending out? change it to another. Make the 'THEM' wonder why you're wearing a blender in the rain. Signal blocking, prevent the tag receiving the querying signal or sending its answer. suddenly you're clothes are invisible. This might lead to charges of indecent exposure, but I'd like to see the witnesses argueing in court. There are so many techniques for defeating these things that I don't know where to start.

I don't thnk that RFID tags are anything to worry about just yet.
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Re: RFID tags, big brother is watching?

Quote originally posted by jwenting ...
...RFID tags of the kinds which could be used for implantation in humans (or clothes and other items) are passive.
They will give off the information stored on them (usually a single number) only when activated.
The tag has no powersource, the power to transmit is derived from the signal which requests the information.
When the signal is received the chip gets power. If the signal matches a signal the tag is programmed to respond to it transmits the information stored in it until the signal dies down.

Typically the range of RFID scanners is limited to a few meters at most. Higher powered tags require independent power sources (batteries), making them impractical for longterm use (how to replace the battery regularly?), larger (and thus more cumbersome to install and carry around), and far more expensive (given the now estimated 300 pound pricetag for the UK biometrics ID card they're trying to force on every resident that's clearly not a problem for governments, they just pass on the bill to the taxpayer/victim).

The myth that RFID tags are no larger than a grain of sand and cheap enough to install in penny items like pencils and candy wrappers is also just that, a myth.
At current the tags are still about a square centimeter in size and maybe a tenth of a millimeter thick for the smallest of them...
The PENI tag is a passive tag with an embedded antenna. It is only 2.2[mm] on a side and claims a range of perhaps as far as 100 meters.

http://www.discover.pitt.edu/media/p...1_PENITag.html

RFID DETECTOR NETWORKING

Current RFID detector systems like toll booths, inventor control, and delivery services could be networked to form such an integrated network. In the future RFID cash registers and cell phones could be integrated. PENI tag compatible systems would likely have greater range.

http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,55739,00.html

The information such a RFID network would gather is very valuable. It is unlikely that such a potentially profitable system will not be implemented.

RFID AMBER ALERT

All of the networked detectors could be instructed to alert the police if they detect the unique RFID code for the victim’s DNA samplers. Such a system could provide a fast acting and wide spread active search for the victim’s DNA samplers.

DNA DATABASES

Kidnappers, rapists, and assailants would be venerable to this network through the RFID tag in the DNA samplers. The recovered DNA would be fed into a DNA database for matching or stored as a cold case for future matching. It might be possible to identify a suspect with a ‘near hit’ on a close relative already in the DNA database.

Whether the RFID network would be used abusively or not is not affected by using it to locate DNA samplers. The RFID network might as well be used to identify violent criminals. Otherwise, it is just a wasted opportunity to prevent violent crime. Kidnappers, rapists, and assailants will go free and their victims will not be rescued.
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