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Re: Don't pump gas on May 15th

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Depends. What's the selling price, what's the location, and does it come with its own troll or do I have to provide that?
If you are this gullible er hurumph I mean interested well...the asking price is 2.6 million US dollars, the location in in the Bronx and can shipped anywhere in the continental USA via UPS ground. The trolls have unionized their piece of the action and may cause a little annoyance with what would first appear to be a bad work ethic, but this is simply their union rules prohibiting working any more than twenty consecutive minutes. You could try to provide your own trolls, but I can't guarantee that there won't be union repercussions toward scab workers.

*Only serious buyers please*
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you are just kidding yourself if you think that will do any good. Its been tried before and nothing at all happened to gas prices. Big oil companies could care less what we the consumer think -- they can charge anything they want and we are stupid enough to pay it. $3.00 per gallon is nothing compared to european prices. Last time I heard it was over $10.00/gallon in UK.
Not just that, but they have precious little control over the price...
The vast majority is made up of taxes and fixed cost (purchase price, recovering investment in refineries, transport cost, salaries of workers, etc.)
Out of the $7.50 equivalent that gas costs in Europe (per gallon) only about $0.50 is theoretically profit, and that's taxable as well at 45%. So the company makes a grand total of $0.25 per gallon, which is shared between the oil company and the gas station.

It might hurt the government if it went on a long time (weeks or months) and people used non-taxed alternative transport (so not trains and busses, which wouldn't survive the overload anyway), but that would drive the small franchise holders who run most gasstations out of business who need to survive on a few cents per gallon times a few thousand a day (at most) but especially on all the other stuff the drivers purchase in their shops (drinks, newspapers, candy, cigarettes, etc.).
The oil companies themselves would hurt as well, but their main source of income is other products anyway (industrial lubricants, aircraft and heavy fuels, industrial chemicals, etc. etc.).

So as usual with these ill-thought-out leftist plans it hurts only the little guy, the guy they claim to want to help.
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Someone mentioned ethanol as an alternative fuel source up in another post.

Again, this is a misconception. While ethanol can be used as a fuel additive instead of gasoline, ethanol is not energy efficient. It takes more energy put in through processing then it produces. In nearly every case, this energy put in comes from fossil fuels.

True alternative sources are an extract from sugarcane (which the U.S. isn't currently looking at because of the problems with Chávez in Brazil (where most sugarcane is grown)). Solar power and wind energy are also good alternatives.

What our country needs as a whole is a grassroots rebellion geared on energy change.

Edit: Hydrogen cells are also an excellent alternative.
Yes, that was me that mentioned ethanol. If it's not energy efficient then why is it included in the Energy Policy Act of 1992?
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Yes, that was me that mentioned ethanol. If it's not energy efficient then why is it included in the Energy Policy Act of 1992?
I'll straight out admint that I'm not very knowledgable about it, but I think ethanol emissions are cleaner than fossil fuels.
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Yes, that was me that mentioned ethanol. If it's not energy efficient then why is it included in the Energy Policy Act of 1992?
The following is an excerpt from this article.

What is EPAct? The Energy Policy Act (EPAct) was passed in 1992 to accelerate the use of alternative fuels in the transportation sector. The U.S. Department of Energy's (DOE) primary goals are to decrease the nation's dependence on foreign oil and increase energy security through the use of domestically produced alternative fuels. DOE's mission is to replace 10% of petroleum based motor fuels by the year 2000, and 30% by 2010.


You will notice that there is no reference to the fuels being efficient.
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Yes, that was me that mentioned ethanol. If it's not energy efficient then why is it included in the Energy Policy Act of 1992?
One reason it's mentioned is because it's a home-grown product. In other words, it's derived from corn (grown in the US), and processed in the US.

Also, since when have politicians accurately passed laws that made sense?
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One reason it's mentioned is because it's a home-grown product. In other words, it's derived from corn (grown in the US), and processed in the US.

Also, since when have politicians accurately passed laws that made sense?
Well, there was some big hoo-hah a while back about a set of ten special laws to prevent the government from utterly taking over every aspect of life, but these days it doesn't seem like more than one or two of those are actually acknowledged any more...
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We in Illinois have been using 10% ethanol for quite a few years now (20 years that I know of) and it has not helped lower the price of gas one penny. I heard it might actually increase the price at the pumps because it costs more to process ethanol then normal gas.
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We in Illinois have been using 10% ethanol for quite a few years now (20 years that I know of) and it has not helped lower the price of gas one penny. I heard it might actually increase the price at the pumps because it costs more to process ethanol then normal gas.
That makes sense...
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Okay, I'll get back on topic then. What other ways are there to possibly lower gas prices? Any ideas?
simple supply and demand dictates that if supply goes up and/or demand goes down the price goes down.
That doesn't take into account government action to keep prices artificially high.

So there are 3 possible solutions:
1) greatly reduce demand by greatly reducing the number of vehicles burning gas. This would have to be voluntary, which is highly unlikely to happen (forced reduction wouldn't work as it would be accompanied by measures to ensure government income by increasing fuel taxes).
2) greatly increase the availability of gas. This would mean increased production which isn't possible due to the construction of refineries being blocked at every opportunity by government agencies and environmentalists, and by the oil cartel refusing to deliver more crude.
3) get rid of the government.

All three are highly unlikely to happen.
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