Osx86

[linux]

Anyone have any experience in the OSX86 field (Hackintosh)?

I have one Hackintosh notebook set up, as well as a Vista notebook running OSX86 under VMWare.

Anyone ever used it/heard of it?

(If this type of thread is not allowed, meaning related to illegal activities, please delete it and PM me telling me. Thanks)

[Sturm]

no not really... Sounds sweet though (just to show friends, not to actually use it ;-p)

[linux]

Yeah, it is pretty sweet. I actually use it (yeah, I know, I'm a geek) as a main OS. I tend to use it more than Vista...

It's pretty fun to hack drivers and stuff for it. Definitely work the time to get it to work, because you learn so much about kext files and other things.

[Sturm]

>yeah, I know, I'm a geek

Mac? Geeky? Hardly.

[linux]

Ahahaha. Are you saying that people who use Macs aren't geeks? Personally, I like hacking Macs more than using them. Macs suck at life (except when I want to record, edit, and share music/edit graphics, then they rock).

[Sturm]

yeah I am... Mac users (in my biased bigoted opinion that is) are completely clueless on how to actually operate computers. I have heard mac users say "I switched to mac because windows is too complicated." Windows? Complicated? Sure....

[linux]

Yeah, I rarely use my Mac any more. I use my Windows computer a lot, especially since I "borrowed" M-Audio Sessions, tried it out, uninstalled it, and am now going to purchase it, namely so I can have a piece of software legally that is better than GarageBand, and for the cool little dongle that comes with it.

But honestly, Macs suck in general. For one reason really -- Visual. Basic. No, I'm just kidding, but Macs lack a lot of that what Windows has... I mean, sure, GarageBand... You can use Audacity, M-Audio Sessions, Adobe Audition, Ableton Live, etc. to do the same thing. iWeb? Try Publisher, Neo, GoLive, etc. to build websites. iTunes? Ha! It's for Windows too! Safari is too, which I am very happy about. Now, that almighty DOCK! Oh my lord! Try Stardock's applications to emulate the crappy looks of OS X.

And seriously, Macs can't even find the correct side to put the buttons on. And they don't have dropdown menus in applications, that's what truly pisses me off.

As for Windows being complicated, pssh. Try Vista, and you'll see easy to use -- Aside from UAC.

And notice how I mentioned the Windows equivalents of the Mac applications above, like 5+ exist for each Mac application, whereas only one Mac one exist.

No one wants to make Mac users suffer more than they already are with their own Machines. That's why no one writes viruses for Macs... They feel bad for their sucky operating system.

And no one should say "that's not their fault," when you could easily spend $500 less on a better Windows machine with TWO MOUSE BUTTONS (Oh My!).

Macs seem to not have a lot of features to them except fun fun fun! In the work environment, what would you do with a Mac? Write a rap song that explains your lack of work to your boss? When will Apple learn that people aren't children forever...?

[hbk619]

>TWO MOUSE BUTTONS (Oh My!).

Michael Cole? ;)

and Hackintosh?

[linux]

A Hackintosh is when you put OS X on a PC, because you have to hack it onto it.

Read up on it at osx86project.org

[John A]

>Mac users (in my biased bigoted opinion that is) are completely
>clueless on how to actually operate computers.
Which means that obviously Macs aren't very complicated to use.

>I have heard mac users say "I switched to mac because windows is
>too complicated." Windows? Complicated? Sure....
Make up your mind.

>And seriously, Macs can't even find the correct side to put the buttons on.
In other words, Macs can't find the side that you're used to having the buttons on.

>And they don't have dropdown menus in applications
What exactly are you referring to?

>And notice how I mentioned the Windows equivalents of the Mac
>applications above, like 5+ exist for each Mac application,
>whereas only one Mac one exist.
Where's your proof? I find it ironic how a couple of the applications you mentioned as "Windows programs" are also available on the Mac platform.

>No one wants to make Mac users suffer more than they already
>are with their own Machines. That's why no one writes viruses for Macs...
Prove it.

>you could easily spend $500 less on a better Windows machine
>with TWO MOUSE BUTTONS (Oh My!).
Just curious, would you mind pointing to an example where this is the case? I'm also interested to hear what you define as "better".

>In the work environment, what would you do with a Mac?
Work with it? Are Macs incapable of being useful in a work environment? That's news to me, and likely a lot of other individuals that use Macs on a daily basis at work.

[Sturm]

Yeah, I rarely use my Mac any more. I use my Windows computer a lot, especially since I "borrowed" M-Audio Sessions, tried it out, uninstalled it, and am now going to purchase it, namely so I can have a piece of software legally that is better than GarageBand, and for the cool little dongle that comes with it.

But honestly, Macs suck in general. For one reason really -- Visual. Basic. No, I'm just kidding, but Macs lack a lot of that what Windows has... I mean, sure, GarageBand... You can use Audacity, M-Audio Sessions, Adobe Audition, Ableton Live, etc. to do the same thing. iWeb? Try Publisher, Neo, GoLive, etc. to build websites. iTunes? Ha! It's for Windows too! Safari is too, which I am very happy about. Now, that almighty DOCK! Oh my lord! Try Stardock's applications to emulate the crappy looks of OS X.

And seriously, Macs can't even find the correct side to put the buttons on. And they don't have dropdown menus in applications, that's what truly pisses me off.

As for Windows being complicated, pssh. Try Vista, and you'll see easy to use -- Aside from UAC.

And notice how I mentioned the Windows equivalents of the Mac applications above, like 5+ exist for each Mac application, whereas only one Mac one exist.

No one wants to make Mac users suffer more than they already are with their own Machines. That's why no one writes viruses for Macs... They feel bad for their sucky operating system.

And no one should say "that's not their fault," when you could easily spend $500 less on a better Windows machine with TWO MOUSE BUTTONS (Oh My!).

Macs seem to not have a lot of features to them except fun fun fun! In the work environment, what would you do with a Mac? Write a rap song that explains your lack of work to your boss? When will Apple learn that people aren't children forever...?

I think your getting a tad to cozy with windows. I personally like windows more than mac, not that that is saying much for the sole reason of the awful docking bar. Its just distracting to have it move all the time. (I have actually only worked with a mac for several hours so you probably can change this..) I heard somewhere that you can have macs run X11 as its default graphical server... maybe then I would like macs... (but for now I will just stick with linux)

[John A]

>I think your getting a tad to cozy with windows.
May I ask, is there anything wrong with that?

>Its just distracting to have it move all the time.
I don't think dock magnification is even turned on by default. You have to manually enable it.

>I have actually only worked with a mac for several hours
You're criticizing an operating system that you've only used for an hour? So that's how you know all the faults of Macs. :icon_rolleyes:

>I heard somewhere that you can have macs run X11 as its default
>graphical server
You can run X11.app, which enables you to run X11 applications right on top of Aqua (OS X's interface). It's even possible to run window managers like KDE or Gnome over top of the OS X desktop, but I don't think it's possible to use X11 as the sole window manager on OS X, or if it's possible, it's not easy.

[linux]

Wow, joeprogrammer, slept on the wrong side of the bed last night?

What do you use on a regular basis, may I ask?

[John A]

>Wow, joeprogrammer, slept on the wrong side of the bed last night?
Who said that I slept last night? :P

>What do you use on a regular basis, may I ask?
At the moment, Mac and Linux.

[linux]

Exactly, you need sleep. You're hallucinating that Mac is good!

I do have a question for you, since you use Linux as a main OS...

How well will an emulated version of Ubuntu (VMWare) work work my wireless card (Intel PRO) and Audio card (Realtek), right when I install it?

How can anyone think that Macs work as well as Windows? No offense.

[John A]

>Exactly, you need sleep. You're hallucinating that Mac is good!
I don't recall ever saying in this thread that Mac is good. What I do remember is you saying that Mac was bad, and me pointing out the flaws in your logic, something I like to do a lot in debates.

>How well will an emulated version of Ubuntu (VMWare) work work
>my wireless card (Intel PRO) and Audio card (Realtek), right when I
>install it?
Assuming that your base operating system (Windows in this case?) works with your wireless and audio hardware already, it should be pretty well hitch-free getting Ubuntu to recognize the virtual hardware that VMWare emulates.

>How can anyone think that Macs work as well as Windows?
How can anyone think that Macs don't work as well as Windows?

[linux]

My sound doesn't work, it says "Failed to connect to the sound server..."

Any suggestions?

[Sturm]

>You're criticizing an operating system that you've only used for an hour? So that's how you know all the faults of Macs.

Im not. I am saying that based on my experience (however short it may be), I like mac a lot less than windows. But I despise windows (for technical and moral reasons, mostly technical), which I have had a fair amount of experience with (~5 years).

Lets just say (something I don't think even you can refute) that mac and windows offer less freedom than linux. I liking freedom, prefer linux. Others who are not as technically inclined as I am, might prefer another operating system.

[joshSCH]

haha.. Joe has to come in, and back up his MAC ;)

[John A]

>My sound doesn't work, it says "Failed to connect to the sound server..."
What hardware did you select for VMWare to emulate?

>I am saying that based on my experience (however short it may
>be), I like mac a lot less than windows.
This is what can happen when you compare an operating system that you've used for a long time to one that you've used for maybe a few days.

>But I despise windows (for technical and moral reasons
Uh, moral reasons? Care to elaborate?

>Lets just say (something I don't think even you can refute) that mac
>and windows offer less freedom than linux.
To programmers and hackers, yes. Regular users, not so much.

>haha.. Joe has to come in, and back up his MAC
Actually, now that I think about it, I believe I've backed up Mac, Linux, and Windows in debates at some point or another. My debate policy is as follows: with strong opinions must come strong reasoning. If I don't believe that an individual has strong enough logic to support their claims, I defend whatever they attack.