Oh, what hospital does your mom work at? Maybe they know each other.

And most smokers are genuine nice people like yourself, who do care for others around them, but a proportion of smokers are just plane idiots who don't give a care in the world, and when they puff the smoke out, it goes right into your face. It's those sort of people that i just want to punch in the face quite honestly! And i'm not violent!

Hmm, so it seems like there are lotsa "nice" smokers around.. :).
Just the same way I tried saying that even though there are times when smokers are smoking in their smoking corners, and still ppl have to make faces. It's those faces I would also like to break, no that I'm violent by nature.. :)Discrimination, probably, but more importantly the government is trying to force you to stop smoking. The same thing if happening here in USA. And it is a little interesting that governments would force the closure of legitimate industry and put thousands of people out of work. When a wife can't make a smoker quit, what chance a govt. got ?!>>Medically, it's not.
So smoking is not a self-provoked death?
No

>Remember I have not even mentioned places like Hospitals and Schools
I hope you don't serioudly consider smoking at such places.
No. But none the less these are places where smoking isn't allowed.
>It's pure and simple discrimination !
That's a two way street.
That's what I meant when I said it's discrimination!

>The least you can do is allow us to smoke in the smoking areas of a restaurant in peace.
You know what? Maybe I like to masturbate. And rather than do that only on private property the least you can do is allow me to do it in a restaurant in peace.
Sure, by all means, as long as you have something similar to smoking area I have no issues. May be after that you'll come back cribbing they frown and they don't let you do it in schools and hospitals. :D

There's a reason you can't smoke in schools and hospitals. Can you guess why? And I'd love for you to explain to me how smoking is not a self-provoked death? It is the number one preventable cause of death in the United States. And you obiously didn't understand my analogy, so let's not even continue with it.

Schools:
Same reasons you've been throwing out for restaurants, somehow given magically more emphasis because it's children who're being 'targetted' by the smoke.

Hospitals:
Which reason do you want? The 'secondhand smoke veddy bad fol patient' one? Or the one about how the smoke might somehow damage the delicate machinery of someone's life support (or the pre-lifesupport vital sign readers)? Or how about the one where it's a really bad idea to keep any kind of open heat source near compressed oxygen or highly-oxygenated atmospheres? Which of those did you want?

> There's a reason you can't smoke in schools and hospitals. Can you guess why?
Comparing the effects of smoke on people who are fighting against death and normal people doesn't make sense. Second hand smoking is bad, but so is the smoke from vehicles, the minute spores floating, the dirt, the pollen grains etc.

And BTW, its not only smoking but also any other thing which would make the patients uncomfortable is not allowed in hospitals, so picking out smoking from all the things which are not allowed would be a moot point.

No! :P
I'm not old enough ! lol

> There's a reason you can't smoke in schools and hospitals. Can you guess why? Comparing the effects of smoke on people who are fighting against death and normal people doesn't make sense. Second hand smoking is bad, but so is the smoke from vehicles, the minute spores floating, the dirt, the pollen grains etc. And BTW, its not only smoking but also any other thing which would make the patients uncomfortable is not allowed in hospitals, so picking out smoking from all the things which are not allowed would be a moot point.

Smoking is easy to prohibit in schools. Other things are not. Smoke from vehicles: they usually don't operate within the school. Minute spores floating: nothing you can do. Dirt: Keep the classroom clean. Pollen grains: Close the window. Plenty of reasons were already given for why smoking isn't allowed in a hospital.

Well lets just settle on 1 thing if we can,
Smoking is bad for you.
If anything comes out of this thread, i want it to be that.

> Smoking is bad for you.
Smoking is good for you, just like chocolate and wine. And just like chocolate and wine, smoking in excess is bad for you.

> Smoking is bad for you. Smoking is good for you, just like chocolate and wine. And just like chocolate and wine, smoking in excess is bad for you.

that's the best comment i've ever heard in my life... omg... seriously...

> Smoking is bad for you. Smoking is good for you, just like chocolate and wine. And just like chocolate and wine, smoking in excess is bad for you.

Hmm... that's interesting since I have never heardanyone in the medical field proclaim that smoking is good for you. Neither have I read any health book stating this ridiculous idea. Smoking regularly has the same effect as smoking excessively... the only difference is how fast it progresses.

>Hmm... that's interesting since I have never heard anyone in the medical
>field proclaim that smoking is good for you. Neither have I read any
>health book stating this ridiculous idea.
Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you're right. Try looking for studies that link moderate amounts of nicotine to the prevention and treatment of mental disorders. Or studies that have shown nicotine to help ulcerative colitis, increase libido, and improve memory. I remember a study that linked smoking to preventing breast cancer. And of course, due to the effects of smoking we can count stress relief as yet another benefit.

I'm not saying that these benefits outweigh the negative aspects, but I'm also not doing what you are: the text equivalent of putting my fingers in my ears and saying "lalalalala!".

yeah but thats the case with everything

next peoplem will say that a little heroin is good, but too much....

you get my drift.

>>the text equivalent of putting my fingers in my ears and saying "lalalalala!".

lol... i actually laughed when i read that... because it is actually true...

>yeah but thats the case with everything
>next peoplem will say that a little heroin is good, but too much....
Okay, then you have to go to the extreme for everything. Not just smoking. Otherwise it will make you a hypocrite who picks and chooses what's good and bad based not on research, but personal bias.

>you get my drift.
No, I don't. If it's the case with everything, why is claiming health benefits to smoking "ridiculous", to quote christina.

Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean you're right.

Ignorant? I'm a nurse. My whole life is based around studying medicine, conditions, diseases, and treatments. And yes, I am right. Try looking for studies that link moderate amounts of nicotine to the prevention and treatment of mental disorders. Or studies that have shown nicotine to help ulcerative colitis, increase libido, and improve memory. I remember a study that linked smoking to preventing breast cancer. And of course, due to the effects of smoking we can count stress relief as yet another benefit. I've seen these studies, and doctors use all kinds of drugs, even illegal drugs for the benefit of the patient. But does this mean that people on the streets should be using and abusing them? NO.I'm not saying that these benefits outweigh the negative aspects, but I'm also not doing what you are: the text equivalent of putting my fingers in my ears and saying "lalalalala!". You're not even making any kind of sense. I havestudied the effects of smoking. I know how it can be a positive effect on the human body and how it can become a death stick.

yeah but thats the case with everything next peoplem will say that a little heroin is good, but too much.... you get my drift.

Perhaps a little heroinis good. I don't know that studies have shown that it is not. Obviously though, given the extremely addictive nature of heroin, most are not going to use it in moderation and the excess may kill them.

Okay, perhaps you guys are taking this a little bit out of context. A little bit of anything is good. Ever heard of vaccines? Injecting a little bit of a virus into a human is enough to enable the human to build a sufficient immune response. If we look at things at such a microscopic level then just about EVERYTHING is good for you.

well... not everything...