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Not quite brother-sister incest, in this case:

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On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.
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Also this is where polygamy was a good thing!
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HIV/AIDS - this is not a 'gay' disease, was not started in the gay community, is not god's punishment for anything. Of the worlds populations that have HIV/AIDS, 80% is transmitted through heterosexual contact.

I guess someone needs to learn to read...
Personal attack - carries no weight in a discussion.
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If you would have read the whole thing, you would have noticed this point was already discussed...
Not by me nor in my particular way - why does it bother you? You have no problem repeating your dislike for gays - like if you had read the complete thread, you would have noticed that the 'I dislike gays' has already been discussed.
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"gayness is not a choice - if it were a choice why would all those Republicans keep getting caught in bathrooms and those preachers keep getting outed??

wtf??
To refresh your memory, a Senator 'wide-stance' (Senator Craig, R ) was busted in a men's room stall, Representative 'text message a page" (Representative Foley,R ) was busted for sending disgusting messages to high school students working as pages at the nations capitol. I am not suggesting that there are no Democratic gays in congress (Barney Frank comes to mind) it is just that they are open about who they are and thus no one is surprised. If it was a choice, I am sure they would have chosen to remain faithful to their wives. The other was a reference to Ted Haggard and Lonnie Frisbee - both were televangelists who were caught in same-sex relationships, both were 'prayed straight' but it did not take.

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i insist... if you will comment on a thread, you should read the whole thing first... ok?
You insist? Thread cop, hunh. When I reply to a thread, I open it and keep it open until I am satisfied with what I am saying -- I am trying to be a thoughtful poster and I think about what I post, I go do other things and I come back. I click preview post, look for errors, try to clean up personal attacks and stick to discussion; I change my phrasing, flip to google to check my facts, walk away and think some more; when I am satisfied with my post I post it. I really don't give [strikethrough]a rat's patootie[/strikethrough] <<sorry, I still haven't figured out how to insert strike-through diacriticals, sigh>> much concern to how you personally feel about my posts unless you actually have a cogent argument to present

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I already corrected myself... i underestimated the value of the word hate around here... so i already stated... i don't hate gays... i dislike them
When someone states "I hate all... I hate everything about... I hate...." they don't leave a lot of room for dislike. How could you think repeating the word hate multiple times in reference to gays could be taken in any other way but hate. Hate speech is considered a crime when connected with physical violence because hate speech is different from other speech. I do not think you were suggesting violence but someone who thinks "I hate broccoli" is even slightly close to "I hate gays" does not understand language as well as they should.
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[QUOTE=EnderX;540393]Would you please cite your proof for the numeric statistic? It was my understanding that, in the United States at least, ~90%+ of occurences did appear among the somewhat overlapping groups of homosexuals and shared-needle drug addicts, and I would like to know where you get your statistics from.

world wide AIDS stats
Globally, around 11% of HIV infections are among babies who acquire the virus from their mothers; 10% result from injecting drug use; 5-10% are due to sex between men; and 5-10% occur in healthcare settings. Sex between men and women accounts for the remaining proportion – around two thirds of new infections.

Mea Culpa - I should have reversed the statistics and stated only 5-10% of world wide aids is spread by homosexual sex.

Do not think that the US is the world
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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by EnderX ...
As to your bringing up the scriptures,
I think I was mis-using the quote a bit - you are correct, but.... Do you believe that slavery is okay? Slavery is supported in the bible - so I would guess that when you judge, you should use the holy spirit and realize that the holy spirit teaches change.

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Again, I will try to find the original survey and verify the data.
Please do, thanks
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That's an interesting link, GrimJack. I was always lead to believe that it was the other way around, that about 60% of AIDS/HIV was caused by homosexual relationships ... Will have to research further.
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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by EnderX ...
Would you please cite your proof for the numeric statistic? It was my understanding that, in the United States at least, ~90%+ of occurences did appear among the somewhat overlapping groups of homosexuals and shared-needle drug addicts, and I would like to know where you get your statistics from.

world wide AIDS stats
Globally, around 11% of HIV infections are among babies who acquire the virus from their mothers; 10% result from injecting drug use; 5-10% are due to sex between men; and 5-10% occur in healthcare settings. Sex between men and women accounts for the remaining proportion – around two thirds of new infections.

Mea Culpa - I should have reversed the statistics and stated only 5-10% of world wide aids is spread by homosexual sex.

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I don't think the US is the world. I admit I haven't looked at your stats yet (I'll try to get around to it), but if you don't mind, how much of that count is located within Africa?

As to the survey, I've got the book I saw it mentioned in on hand, I just need to go back over the book and find the reference to follow the footnotes. More a matter of how much free time I have right now than anything else.
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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by EnderX ...
I don't think the US is the world.
That came out wrong - I meant the world is a very big place - please, no insult was meant so I hope none was taken/
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I admit I haven't looked at your stats yet (I'll try to get around to it), but if you don't mind, how much of that count is located within Africa?
The stats are 68.8% Africa, 14.4% Asia, the US is lumped into the category of 'High Income Countries' which is 6.4%, 5.5% Latin America & Caribbean, and 4.8% for Eastern Europe & Central Asia.
As you can imagine that getting these stats out the more tightly regulated (read despotic leadership) counties. These stats are for 2005 (the page was updated a couple weeks ago) from UNAIDS/WHO 2006 and 2007 reports. One thing to keep in mind is that HIV/AIDS was not diagnosed until US citizens started dropping dead - no one really knows thow long it was spreading through Africa and India before anyone know what was going on.
Most of stats are in pie-chart form with good legends and then follow up descriptions.

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As to the survey, I've got the book I saw it mentioned in on hand, I just need to go back over the book and find the reference to follow the footnotes. More a matter of how much free time I have right now than anything else.
I understand the problem of digging through foot-notes and I do not envy you that task - take your time.
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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by GrimJack ...
That came out wrong - I meant the world is a very big place - please, no insult was meant so I hope none was taken/ The stats are 68.8% Africa, 14.4% Asia, the US is lumped into the category of 'High Income Countries' which is 6.4%, 5.5% Latin America & Caribbean, and 4.8% for Eastern Europe & Central Asia.
As you can imagine that getting these stats out the more tightly regulated (read despotic leadership) counties. These stats are for 2005 (the page was updated a couple weeks ago) from UNAIDS/WHO 2006 and 2007 reports. One thing to keep in mind is that HIV/AIDS was not diagnosed until US citizens started dropping dead - no one really knows thow long it was spreading through Africa and India before anyone know what was going on.
Most of stats are in pie-chart form with good legends and then follow up descriptions.

I understand the problem of digging through foot-notes and I do not envy you that task - take your time.
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Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by GrimJack ...

I don't think the US is the world. I admit I haven't looked at your stats yet (I'll try to get around to it), but if you don't mind, how much of that count is located within Africa?

As to the survey, I've got the book I saw it mentioned in on hand, I just need to go back over the book and find the reference to follow the footnotes. More a matter of how much free time I have right now than anything else.
You know that I am still waiting on your references. If you do not have the time to click on a link to see my references, I begin to doubt your intellectual honesty.
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I have some extra free time this evening; I'll follow on what you linked then. I apologize, but most of my free time is on weekends, and I tend not to think of Daniweb then.
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