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lets talk about it...

i can't beleive i'm starting a thread about this... but it is a subject that must be discussed through and through...

1.- when i was talking about hating everything gay, i wasn't talking about what they've invented, because the fact that they're gay doesn't mean they're intelligent...

2.- i never intended to say that my god is bigger than yours... in the end i don't think any religion approves of gay relationships...


3.- being gay has nothing to do with skin color or anything you mentioned... because, differently from the others, is a decision from a human being about going the wrong way...

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>>when i was talking about hating everything gay, i wasn't talking about what they've invented, because the fact that they're gay doesn't mean they're intelligent...
Ok, then what did you mean?

>>is a decision from a human being about going the wrong way...
many people do not believe gayness is a personal decision but rather something they are born with, similar to skin color. A gay person could no more change his behavior than a straight person could (or would want to) become gay.

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now this is really interesting.

i sincerely doubt that it can be genetic and by extension of argument even physiological. you see there is a measure of consistency in what we find beautiful in members of the opposite gender and this cuts accross race, culture and pretty much everything. this is because what we find beautiful is directly related to perpetuation of a species. for example. the tiny chin that most men would find beautiful in a female is a direct marking of the levels of estrogen her body produces. from this one can only deduce that what we find beautiful is DNA based. no culture can so influence any significant section of its males so that they cannot find a significant proportion of women which is considered beautiful in another culture beautiful too. so if being gay is genetic how in the first place did evolution put into this one man the instinct to understand that another man is beautiful? i mean if men had found each other attractive for over 10 000 generations(the most conservative estimate based on the age of the human race) then just how did the DNA survived for so long without being removed from the gene pool? let me put it this way. even if dna has let to instinct in some men which make them prefer other men and they have sex with these men then just how did they transfer their dna over 10 000 generations so that their offspring living today can still find other men beautiful? of course if there is some statistical evdence which proves me wrong or perhaps they discover a new reccesive gene which is responsible for this...

First of all, you forget that women too can be gay. It is very doubtful that gayness is transferred via dna simply because these gays would probably be extinct by now (no way to reproduce). Also, the human genome has been mapped, and as far as scientists know, there is nothing that codes for sexual orientation.. gayness is most likely caused by environmental factors (Such as a boy growing up with three older sisters), and/or/possibly choice.first of all... let me make myself clear... i hate gays... i hate everything that has to do with gays...

in my opinion, gayness is the worst disease there is... because that's what it is, a psychological disease, that makes a man feel attracted by another man... lol :D Women can be gay too!there's nothing genetic, nor any physiological need, since AFAIK it is not necessary for a man to be physically satisied by another man... what is a physiological need is for a man to be satisfied by a woman, just as it was meant to be... physiological needs are those humans have from their animal being, also called instinct... such as the need to pee, to eat to sleep... or have you ever seen a dog having gay relationships with other dogs? of course not... why? because they don't have a mind to have f***ed up by some weird "need" to have someone of their same sex beside them... I agree, there would be no reason for gays to 'evolve' or for such a sexual orientation to become a genetic trait... hence, genetics and gayness have nothing to do with each other.gay people shouldn't be praised... his only causes more people to think this is good...

actually gay sex is the source of many diseases... maybe is a punishment to mankind for allowing this to happen... or at least i feel it that way...

even (as christians may know), God Himself is againsta gay relationships... i can't recall where it is, but it clearly says (in other words, obviously) "gays will not go to Heaven"...

conclusion... gays shouldn't exist... and it is a mistake to think they are a "nature's mistake", since gayness doesn't have its origin in anything natural, nor genetic, nor physiological... its purely mental... sick people that fancy other people from their same sex... gays are the universe's scum... hmm.. I also do not think gays should be 'praised' in the way that they are today.. probably because I'm so conservative :p. However, I do believe the gays came about from environmental and natural factors unknown to us all...
> maybe is a punishment to mankind for allowing this to happen...
> gays will not go to Heaven
How nice of you to quote your mysticism at us. Do you have something substantive rather than just idle threats of "my god is better than your god"? The majority of the worlds population isn't christian (or muslim, or jew, or hindu or any other cult you care to mention).hah salem, your blunt logic always cracks me up :D
However, the majority of the world's population is Catholic.. so therefore christianity is the top dog amongst religions...From the statistics I've seen, the incidence of Aquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome in the United States is something like still 98% within the somewhat overlapping communities of homosexual individuals and shared-needle drug users. (There's a reason AIDS was called the 'Gay Plague' until the Political Correctness Police shut the term down.) From what I can tell, Nichito's not saying that normal sex (yes, I just said that) is completely disease-free, he's saying that some diseases seem to have started among, and are found more commonly among, homosexuals than heterosexuals. Yes, the gays do statistically contract HIV more often that others.. however, let's not get carried away.. aids can affect us all.. and not only that, but I'm sure the heterosexuals have probably started more diseases that the homosexuals..

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However, the majority of the world's population is Catholic.. so therefore christianity is the top dog amongst religions...

wrong -- only about a third are Christian

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Oh, well.. by majority I most nearly meant the largest religious group.. I did not mean the world was >50% Christian :p. My mistake, bad word choice.

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>>first of all... let me make myself clear... i hate gays... i hate everything that has to do with gays...

I certainly hope this thread does not turn into hate speech. If it does then we might have to give someone an infraction, delete their post and close this thread.

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this thread was not started as a hate speech... that comment was posted in another thread... i just created this one so we could widely discuss it...

when i commented that, i meant gay comunities, gay conversations... and that kind of stuff... i have no problem in using something inventd or discovered by someone gay... but you will never ever see me sharing anything more than a professional relationship or none at all...

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@ Ancient Dragon:

as i stated it in the other thread, gayness has nothing to do with natural processes, genetics or anything... i clearly stated that the human need to be sexually satisfied comes from his instinct... instinct indicates humans to have sexual intercourse with someone from the opposite sex... there's no way gayness can be assed through as genetic information...

gayness is just the same as masochism... some weird experimentation made by some wacked up guy that ended liking this new sensation... a psychological impulse to do something that wasn't meant to be...

to say that gayness is passed through genetics is like saying stealing is passed through genetics...

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>>as i stated it in the other thread, gayness has nothing to do with natural processes
And your proof? Where is your Ph.D. in something? There has been a lot of discussion on that topic and even the experts don't know the answer. Is it genetics? I agree its probably not. Environment influence ? No, not that either because gay people are raised in hetrosexual families. Choice ? No, very few if any gays choose to be gay, just like straight people choose to be straight. So what is it -- I don't think anyone knows.

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Also, I do not think saying that someone dislikes others is exactly bad... If someone dislikes gay people b/c the gays act against religion, ethics, or other social standards then so be it.. If people are allowed to do whatever they like (including being openly gay) then I don't see why others are not allowed to dislike whoever they choose to dislike...

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@ A.D.:
agreed... perhaps we may want to consider experimentation as the best explanation... experimentation just to see what it feels like to do things different, and end liking it... but then, if it was experimentation, it was chioce... choice to keep doing it, or just stopping it...

environment influence might be a good explanation too nowadays... since there's a lot of societies that promote gay communities and stuff... so, some kid that has been rejected, with no family support and everything sees that gays "are" (by "are" i mean seem) happy, so he wants to be happy... so he turns to the gay community...

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There is a huge difference between dislike and hate. There are some things I dislike about my wife but I certainly don't hate her.

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Yes, the gays do statistically contract HIV more often that others.. however, let's not get carried away.. aids can affect us all.. and not only that, but I'm sure the heterosexuals have probably started more diseases that the homosexuals..



I merely pointed out that a specific disease has its largest predominance among a specific subset of humankind...in this case, homosexuals. And yes, the Human Immunodeficiancy Virus can infect anyone...but it has its greatest instance of infection among Homosexual individuals, or the somewhat overlapping group of drug addicts who share contaminated needles. And there's been a huge flap about how Heterosexual AIDS will become common for over a decade now, possibly closer to two, yet the disease is still mostly limited to the group(s) named above.

And unless you're postulating genetic engineering or biowarfare, I'd say that mankind hasn'tcreated any such diseases, but yes, there are a number of STDs which seem to have shown up first among normal (that is, heterosexual) interactions. Although it'd be interesting to do a study on the prevalence of those diseases among the two communities as well...Anyway, I was simply pointing out one disease, which has become such a political hotbutton that the ferver and vehemence behind it make it exceedingly well known.

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thank you very much Josh...

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oh... come on... will you tell me you never use the word hate to refer something you dislike?

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>>experimentation just to see what it feels like to do things different, and end liking it
I would suggest that a truely straight person would not even imagine doing that. Having sex with same gender is just as revolting to straights as having sex with opposite gener is to gays. A third group consists of people who go either way.

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ok... lets put it this way... AIDS came with gay sex... then came the so-called "bi-sexuals", which to me are as gay as the homosexuals... and had intercourse with a woman... this woman had intercourse with other three men without knowing about the disease... and so on and so on...

see? its not like diseases are born when you respect the natural order of things... but when you start messing up with order, comes disaster...

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Choice ? No, very few if any gays choose to be gay, just like straight people choose to be straight. So what is it -- I don't think anyone knows.



Technically, a case could be made for choice. There is a difference between having homosexual inclinations and being homosexual; the latter requires specific action to be taken along the lines of the former. Even if someone is, for some reason, inclined toward such behavior, they still have the ability to choose otherwise. I acknowledge that in today's culture (in the US at least) the wordabstinence is unpopular, but it's still an option.

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oh... come on... will you tell me you never use the word hate to refer something you dislike?

Yes. Hate begets abuse, such as spousal and child abuse, burning crosses on laws, burning churches, dragging people behind cars, etc. Hate has no place in our society and under some circumstance there are laws against it.

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Technically, a case could be made for choice. There is a difference between having homosexual inclinations and being homosexual; the latter requires specific action to be taken along the lines of the former. Even if someone is, for some reason, inclined toward such behavior, they still have the ability to choose otherwise. I acknowledge that in today's culture (in the US at least) the word abstinence is unpopular, but it's still an option.

You are confusing having sex and being gay. One can practice absistance and still be gay or not gay. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. [edit]well, except that gays have same sex and hets don't.[/edit]

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