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Townhall.com::Vanishing England::By Cal Thomas

What are some opinions on this? (I am most interested in opinions from the UK or Europe.)
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I wonder if the native American's had the same discussion several hundred years ago? Once independent and free, now marginalised by overwhelming immigration.

Strange he makes no mention of the gun, drug and "rap thuggery" cultures making their way from your side of the pond over here. The body count from those goes up steadily week by week.

Oh, and another highly undesirable US import is all this mixing of religion and government.

But one thing is right though, the pressure to leave is definitely felt by a fair number of people, myself included.
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i think that the article is narrow minded to the point of being ethnocentric.

if the numbers does indeed reflect what the author wants to imply then he seems to forget that all things change. england more than any other country in history had been conquered and recultered so many times that one can by right ask what exactly england is.

i have read a poem by zen master

rock and wind. they alone remains through generations.

what is stable in one generation is not guarenteed in the next. the author seems to say that tere is a direct link between change and decadence. there is not. if that was so then very few countries, including USA, would have been left standing today.
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All this idealism is bollox.

The UK is just a comparitively great place. Speak english, lots of help, lots of jobs/opportunity, clement weather. When you come from a piss poor country the UK just looks great.

For those born and bread here the lens is different. Why stay when you can take the best bits of your country/culture wth you and exploit some lesser countries less fiscally stitched up economy and get a tan into the bargain.
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All this idealism is bollox.

The UK is just a comparitively great place. Speak english, lots of help, lots of jobs/opportunity, clement weather. When you come from a piss poor country the UK just looks great.

For those born and bread here the lens is different. Why stay when you can take the best bits of your country/culture wth you and exploit some lesser countries less fiscally stitched up economy and get a tan into the bargain.
very true. my own country is swamped by europeans. they say that life is cheaper here(i cant see how since europe has higher per capita GDP).

it is so bad that one can no longer even buy a decent house without having to compete with over rich europeans.

perhaps we too should start publishing articles about how our culture is being replaced by european culture.
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Strange he makes no mention of the gun, drug and "rap thuggery" cultures making their way from your side of the pond over here. The body count from those goes up steadily week by week.

Oh, and another highly undesirable US import is all this mixing of religion and government.
Odd. I feel the former increasing in frequency in part due to the decline of the latter.
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It is partially true. Perhaps Britain is just lax when it comes to immigration, at least that's how the media portrays it, how true it actually is I don't know. It is true that some places in the uk, non-whites are the majority. That was unheard of a few decades ago.


Anyway it is not just Britain with this problem hey? I'm sure parts of the "US and A" have similar issues as do some European countries.
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>Perhaps Britain is just lax when it comes to immigration

No prehaps. Britain IS lax, very very and when they find the illegal ones "hey yo, have a house thats legal and nice". Or "stay in this detention centre where you can demand more variety of chocolate biscuits and super-comfortable matresses and sky tv and you'll get it!"

And yup, Dagenham, Barking that area: you walk into a supermarket you'll probably see about two or three white people and at least ten times that in a variety of non-white.
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Yeah well that's our government and their namby pamby pinko liberal rhetoric.
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Cal Thomas is one of the many smug neocons in the US news media, that has beaten the drums to get us into invading Iraq. I am sure he never shed one tear or even felt sad for the many Muslims that got killed in this ill exercised adventure. His bias against Muslims is clearly reflected in his "the threat of more terrorism from a growing Muslim population" statement.

Let's face it, it was the immigrants that have made the USA the great country it is! England will in the long run gain from the same experience. Bigotry is just what it is, ugly bigotry!
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