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Re: Why I Hate Linux

Click to Expand / Collapse  Quote originally posted by NicAx64 ...
that may be correct for the linux, bt nt all for the *nix world. Do nt forgot that OS X is also a *nix and it is the most user friendly OS in the world not MS windows.
Put Win7 and OS X side-by-side, and really a moot argument. Not saying OS X isn't a good OS, but highly over-rated (and highly locked down and restrictive for power users).

NB: OS X is a UNIX derivative, not a LINUX derivative... not the same thing
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As soon as I see "Linux" and "Ubuntu" in the same comment, immediately tune out. If you want to use the poor-man's OS X, be my guest; but please don't ply it as a real Linux distro, as it ain't!

I think I see the point you're trying to make here.... Ubuntu is debian based, so Ubuntu can't be linux.. and since debian is based on the linux kernel and GNU tools it also is not linux. To run true linux you should be able to double click on the kernel's exe file and it installs itself. After the kernel.exe is done you will have a klunky user environment.

I understand people do not like various operating systems and I am OK with that. I have some I don't like. However you merely flamed about how crappy, clunky, not "real enough", etc that Linux is. To truly dislike something you should understand it enough to have an argument based on features or mechanisms in the operating system or software package. You are doing a poor job at being a Windows evangelist. What value did you add to this thread?

*One* feature of linux --
With Linux you can delve much deeper in the network stack than Windows will even allow for security reasons. To combat the threat of the viruses and malware spreading Microsoft made the decision to forcibly crash applications that made certain calls on the network. With Linux this is not the case. Is it a shortcoming with Windows? No, it is intended to be desktop and server based -- no route packets. Is this an advantage Linux has over Windows? No, it is a difference in functionality. Why do you think most of the routers out there are running some form of embedded Linux?

FYI - I'm develop entirely in Microsoft.NET code and make my living from Microsoft and its' products. I do, however, recognize the utility in Linux.
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Re: Why I Hate Linux

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. And yum on ubuntu...why?
That's not what I said. I said I was using Ubuntu. AD uses Fedora which has yum, so that's what I used in my example.
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As soon as I see "Linux" and "Ubuntu" in the same comment, immediately tune out. If you want to use the poor-man's OS X, be my guest; but please don't ply it as a real Linux distro, as it ain't!
Well Ubuntu if my Favourite OS as Windoze is too slow and Windoze just can't keep up with the technology. And if you think Ubuntu is so good that it's not classed as Linux then good for you because it must be something better than Linux.
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Actually can't stand Ubuntu.... why? Two reasons:
  • The whole concept of Linux as far as I can tell is to maintain not just the whole open-source concept, but maximum configurability. A really good Linux distro maintains that configurability whilst keeping the front end simple enough for first-times to be able to jump in and run with it. Ubuntu seems to be solely aimed at that latter group, lacking the hard-core configurability that other Linux distros have, instead offering a completely dummied-down build (very much like Apple's offering), thus the "poor-mans OS X" remark.
  • Ubuntu seems to breed the same fanticism as OS X. In the case of where some *nix troll comes along spamming just about every Windows-based blog/newscast/forum etc, 99.9% of them claim to be Ubuntu users!

I have no issues with Linux - very nearly made the full transition after being fed-up with constant security issues in XP. In the end, dropped XP for Vista and now Win7 - do a lot of digital art-work (both as a teacher and for own purposes) and found no real alternatives in Linux to proprietary offerings.

As far as Ubuntu goes, it doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of what SUSE offers. Ubuntu offers a simplified user experience (much like OS X).... trouble is, when something goes wrong, the end-user can be left stranded as much is either absent or locked under the hood. To be honest, how many Windows-based "power-users" would really be satisfied transitioning to such a limited distro??

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I understand people do not like various operating systems and I am OK with that. I have some I don't like. However you merely flamed about how crappy, clunky, not "real enough", etc that Linux is. To truly dislike something you should understand it enough to have an argument based on features or mechanisms in the operating system or software package. You are doing a poor job at being a Windows evangelist. What value did you add to this thread?
You do realise that this entire post began as a rant, not some request for either help or conversion?? And I did NOT suggest Linux was crappy at all (would LOVE to see Linux to become cohesive enough to encourage the proprietary application development that would allow at least some distros to become mainstream contenders), but merely Ubuntu. I've outlined above why I fell this way - and I'm entitled to this opinion (even more so given the number of bombardments us Windows users have copped from that field of users!!). A rant is a rant; it can either be agreed with/added to; or it can be disagreed with. Welcome to the free internet! All opinions welcome
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Well one of the things that I like about Ubuntu that I find hard with some other distributions that that it is easy to use. Is easy to use a bad thing because more complex=better? Also with Ubuntu you don't ever need to use a single command line. So are all these easy to use features what makes Ubuntu so bad? I might stay with Ubuntu because as it is I'm finding it difficult to setup a CentOS server in a Virtualbox where as Ubuntu has a wizard like tool (Synaptic Package Manager) that allows easy install with a GUI. Now that's what I call a good feature unlike those other versions that force you to use the command terminal.
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Re: Why I Hate Linux

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Also with Ubuntu you don't ever need to use a single command line. So are all these easy to use features what makes Ubuntu so bad? I might stay with Ubuntu because as it is I'm finding it difficult to setup a CentOS server in a Virtualbox where as Ubuntu has a wizard like tool (Synaptic Package Manager) that allows easy install with a GUI. Now that's what I call a good feature unlike those other versions that force you to use the command terminal.
Wizards are a great feature so long as one also has the option to use command lines for advanced configuration - the one area wizards tend to be less tuned for. Even in Windows - which has a wizard for just about anything - one can use command prompt (or even RegEdit) for tweaking and hardcore fixes and troubleshooting. Hiding those tool-sets away, or completely locking them under the hood is never a good thing. JMO
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Well Ubuntu if my Favourite OS as Windoze is too slow and Windoze just can't keep up with the technology. And if you think Ubuntu is so good that it's not classed as Linux then good for you because it must be something better than Linux.
no ubunthu is based on the debian , in other words it is debin based.
if you want to use 'Prue' linux use the slax based linux distros. and I love slax because of this , and I don't know why many ppl are against
the slax.
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Wizards are a great feature so long as one also has the option to use command lines for advanced configuration - the one area wizards tend to be less tuned for. Even in Windows - which has a wizard for just about anything - one can use command prompt (or even RegEdit) for tweaking and hardcore fixes and troubleshooting. Hiding those tool-sets away, or completely locking them under the hood is never a good thing. JMO
old linux ppl always saying
"when you know slax you know linux" and "when you know red-hat you know red-hat"

one advantage of using the command shell without the GUI is that
GUI tools are based on the distribution. bt shell is based on the
concept of linux. Shell isn't a part of the "linux kernel" , but part of
the "linux" itself.
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Re: Why I Hate Linux

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old linux ppl always saying "when you know red-hat you know red-hat"
That's actually probably true
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