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Oct 8th, 2009
The reason you need at least a Pro line mac these days is because of the lack of firewire on other models, which is needed in order to run the audio interfaces that music producers need.
Well if macs didnt use stupid nonstandard hardware, you could just add a £10 firwire card instead of spending an extra £1000 on a better model system
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I noticed your nickname

 
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Oct 8th, 2009
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Sorry buddy, I really have enough of trying all those different Linux distro's, I can believe you when you say that Linux provides better hardware support than Windows, but I've not noticed this yet, come on, I'm not going to spend days on trying to figure out how my Wireless network card works.
Linux may be (nearly) virus proof, I'm sure the chance you get a virus drastically decreases when you can't be online

I'm aware of the exploits, but does it mean because an OS has exploits, you'll automatically get loads of viruses on your computer? I don't think so.
And your nickname doesn't seem to fit with your attitude. Curious.
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And your nickname doesn't seem to fit with your attitude. Curious.
If you don't have anything decent to add, then shut up with these pointless remarks.
Just accept that you're not going to convert anybody who reads this away from Windows, it's a waste of time.
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And your nickname doesn't seem to fit with your attitude. Curious.
Well, if we're going to start about nicknames: the mad in your nickname exactly fits with your attitude.
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The only problem I really have with Vista is the annoying, consistent 'do you really want to do X activity' messages and the fact that it hogs my RAM (which isn't a problem on my 4GB computer I now have). All I use is ad-aware and I have never had any problems with malware.

I don't know about most of your points, but it seems that you don't know the definition of an opinion. In any case, I have spoken with a number of IT professionals, and they all have claimed that windows' security problems are more due to its popularity than its inherent flaws.
Since I've avoided Vista, I don't have any experience with UAC. I have a lot of experience with the 'Nix security system, and its not as intrusive as what I've been told the Vista UAC is.

As to your IT professionals - they are wrong. Which makes them not very professional in my book.

Let me explain the difference in simple terms. Windows is an integrated system. Everything is tied together with everything else. Any exploit therefore can affect all of the system. The various 'Nix systems, such as OSX, Linux, the various BSD versions, and Solaris, aren't integrated, they are modular. The modules are assembled into the operating system like building blocks, and are totally separate, which means that an exploit that affects one part of the system (say the networking interface) cannot affect the others.

So even if Linux was to gain 99.99% popularity (or OSX as unlikely as that is) it could not be affected the way Windows is.

For an example of the modularity consider Ubuntu.

Ubuntu = Gnome Desktop
KUbuntu = KDE Desktop
XUbuntu = XFCE Destop
Crunch Bang = Open Box
Moon OS = Enlightenment
Fluxbuntu = Flux Box
Spri = Ice Worm
U-Lite = LXDE

All of the above use the same base, but because of the modularity, it was possible to modify the base Ubuntu with different desktop environments. It used to be possible to do this with Windows back in the Windows 3 days, but Microsoft has removed this capability. I don't know for certain what their reasoning is, however I was told that it's so that users have a consistent "user experience". Of course those who'd like to modify their copy of Windows are out of luck.
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From what I have seen, Vista will just take a chunk of your RAM and sit on it, regardless of whether or not it needs it, and it appears it will take more RAM if you have more available...

Personally, I disable UAC straight away, I have a decent firewall which alerts me to any untrusted programs trying to access system files/registry keys/whatever

On topic, I have used multiple flavours of Linux. I find that if you go out and get your own hardware Linux is ok, but if you have a unit with OEM hardware (especially some Broadcom wireless chips) then drivers become somewhat of a nightmare.

Comparing the latest Ubuntu and OpenSuse distros to Vista, yes, installing the OS is faster than Vista, but Vista picks up the drivers in both my PC and Laptop no problem, but i cannot be bothered to mess with ndiswrapper and finding the windows drivers just to get Linux working.
That's curious - I've found Broadcom support to be excellent with Linux. NDiswrapper is a legacy thing - you don't need it now, and I haven't run it since 7.10 came out. Windows XP has no Broadcom support built in, don't know about Vista.
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I would totaly agree with most oppinions conserning windows and microsoft in this thread and yes i have used/uses linux, but windows is superior and not cuz it's better but, because a large part of software are developed for windows. If linux ran directx and a few other programs and games that i want accesses to i would never get within 5 feet of a windows machine. But as the world OS market looks today i will probebly stick with windows. Sure there are games to linux running opengl, small non proffessional projects, but in comparison to directx opengl is just bad.
You can run DirectX under WINE. I had the Windows version of Neverwinter Nights running under Ubuntu.
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For an example of the modularity consider Ubuntu.

Ubuntu = Gnome Desktop
KUbuntu = KDE Desktop
XUbuntu = XFCE Destop
Crunch Bang = Open Box
Moon OS = Enlightenment
Fluxbuntu = Flux Box
Spri = Ice Worm
U-Lite = LXDE
Vista is also modular, and as far as Linux is concerned I don't like all those different kind of desktops, I just prefer to use something standard, something which I always feel comfortable with, not something which changes if you move to another Linux-loaded PC.
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You can run DirectX under WINE. I had the Windows version of Neverwinter Nights running under Ubuntu.
Why using DirectX? Weren't you an Anti-Microsoft person?
Now it's really becoming curious.
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lol@having a 4month old laptop conk out on you with xp sp2. May i suggest that you arent half the super geek you think you are? Ive got 4 machines in my house running xp, and havent needed a reinstall in about 4 years.
Hey, I've seen desktop machines last for years too. For some reason I've never had any luck with Windows and Laptops. My wife's laptop died about 4 months after that. Again, installing Linux solved the problem.

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You really think ripping a cd is the sort of functionality music producers are looking for? Just shows how little you know about what people are actually using computers for, so wrapped up are you in the idea that an operating system is an interesting part of a computer. The reason you need at least a Pro line mac these days is because of the lack of firewire on other models, which is needed in order to run the audio interfaces that music producers need.
Ripping a CD? Hell no, I'm talking CD production. As to Firewire, it's only available on the base White MacBook now, the Aluminum MacBook Pro line doesn't have Firewire.

Which isn't really an issue, since my recording gear is all USB, and all of my laptops have USB, no matter what make.

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As for the other photo editing software you are suggesting, yeh great, unless you want to actually take part in the industry like a serious professional.
Nope. Don't want to be part of the industry. But a lot of photographers use Macs, and they swear by Aperture. I've never tried it myself, this is just what was recommended to my daughter when she decided to take up photography.

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You are confusing being fine for the amateur hobbyist merely playing around, with meeting the needs of those people who are working in industry and do things seriously.

You know nothing.
Right. And you are a genius, who knows everything.
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