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Re: Why put up with the pain. Change browsers!

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kosmoe, Firefox doesn't have fixes and updates in the way IE does. The Mozilla org. releases new installs instead. There have been 3 since the product was released in final form. Also. Firefox has nothing to do with AOL. In years gone by, AOL used the Netscape browser, which Firefox is distantly and remotely connected to, but then of course humans come from the same family of animal as lemurs, don't they?

If the article you linked was actually saying the things you claim it was, I'm not surprised it was removed. I've not come across the 'Information Week' site before, and that effort doesn't really make me want to check it out
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Re: Why put up with the pain. Change browsers!

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[/quote] If the article you linked was actually saying the things you claim it was, I'm not surprised it was removed. I've not come across the 'Information Week' site before, and that effort doesn't really make me want to check it out [/quote]

Well if you don't want to know all the facts, that's your perogitive. And i don't really care for your shortsighted comments anyway. So if you've never been to that site before does that mean it's invalid. I have no doubt you believe you are a monkey. Myself, i was created by God.
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Fair enough. That article is actually still there and I've read it thoroughly.

http://www.informationweek.com/story...leID=160900911

It's a heap of codswallop! Mr Langa does himself no service at all with the ridiculous arguments he uses or the baseless assumprions he makes when trying to present data in a meaningful way. I'd suggest you also read the reader reponses, because they point out the huge holes in his line of argument

http://www.informationweek.com/story...leID=160903774


I hadn't realised that 'Information Week' was one of the offshoots of TechWeb. But simply because it's attached to a reputable news organisation doesn't mean it's correct. Question what you read, for goodness sake. The fact that it's published doesn't make it incontrovertible truth!

By the way, if you think I shouldn't be criticising Mr. Langa because he's a journalist with a 'Professional' site, then rest assured that I reserve the right to. I'm one of those 'Professional journalists' myself

Some time during the next year or two or three, Firefox might become somewhat of a problem security-wise. Right now, however, it's in the very lead group of alternatives available to windows users, and that's why it's the choice of discerning and more knowledgeabale users!
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Re: Why put up with the pain. Change browsers!

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There are more critical issues (meaning issues that allow an attacker to take over the entire machine) open in FF than there are in IE at this time, and they take longer to fix on average...

There's 2 reasons there are less exploits for them:
1) those exploits are often written by Microsoft haters (a.k.a. slashdotkiddos) who don't want to sully the name of their own brainchild
2) the rest is written by people that do it for money and those won't target a browser that has such a small market share, it's simply not economically viable.

And that's for browser-specific exploits. Most exploits aren't and will affect the target computer whether IE or FF is in use.

If and when FF gains a large share of the market the slashdotkiddos will get bored of the limited impact of their crimes and start attacking FF anyway, while at the same time the commercial writers will start seeing profit in targeting FF.
At that point all hell will break loose.
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Re: Why put up with the pain. Change browsers!

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Originally Posted by Catweazle
Right now, however, it's {Firefox} in the very lead group of alternatives available to windows users, and that's why it's the choice of discerning and more knowledgeabale users!
I like FF a lot but there are things you can't do with it. My Mom and I use the same computer sometimes and with FF you can't logout of Daniweb and log back in. It keeps putting the same user up. So we use IE out of necessity.
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Re: Why put up with the pain. Change browsers!

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The config file can be accessed by going to about:config in Firefox. Don't ask me what half of that stuff does, though...
That´s the problem I´m having with fixing the paste feature. There are no definitive instructions for how to fix it.

Just for those who are interested, I found how to change the configuration file (that´s the error I get when I try to paste with FF - it says you´ve got to update your config file) by going to Firefox HELP (on the FF web page) and finding a url ref ¨edit the configuration file manually¨ - there is no reference to a config file in FF itself under help.

When you go to this section about manual edit, you find that you can put in about:config, as mmiikkee said, and it will bring up a page of options. I found this line: editor.singleLine,pastNewlines with a value of 1. How does one know what to do with that.

Pretty obscure stuff...

I really like FF as a browser and would like to use it exclusively. However, I have found too many things I can´t do with it. I have had problems with IE in the past, as catweazle has alluded to, but since I formatted that computer that the problems were on and started over, I haven´t had anything happen so far. I´m even using that computer without any kind of antivirus at all, as a test. (I am running antivirus and spy software to see what is happening) But so far, so good.

The long and the short is that when I´m using IE, it does whatever I want. When I´m using FF, there are things I cannot do. In the absense of picking up strange bugs, I can´t see a reason to switch to FF, as then I have to use two browsers.

I guess I should go onto the FF page and tell them about the problems with the config file. I just have no idea how to proceed to change it as the error message says...


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Re: Why put up with the pain. Change browsers!

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Try Mozilla instead then.

It's an 'Internet Suite' but you can do a custoim install and not include the mail client or other extras. Mozilla is more easily configurable by the user.
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Re: Why put up with the pain. Change browsers!

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Originally Posted by Catweazle
Try Mozilla instead then.

It's an 'Internet Suite' but you can do a custoim install and not include the mail client or other extras. Mozilla is more easily configurable by the user.
I´m surprised with this response. You guys are the reason I tried FF to begin with. I like it. I just don´t understand why it´s so difficult to configure it, especially to do something that any program that has ever been written allows you to do. Maybe the question is: who decided to leave the text editing functions out...


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Both Mozilla and Firefox are web browsers developed and made available by Mozilla.org.

It'd be arguably more accurate to describe them as different varieties of the same browser than it would be to describe them as different browsers. The guide linked in my initial post makes mention of Firefox, Mozilla or Opera as preferred options for use as a web browser.
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Re: Why put up with the pain. Change browsers!

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Fred Langa of The Langalist is not God. But he is the straightest shooter i've come across in 3 yrs on the Net. Since his article about FireFox and IE recieved so much attention, He decided to Update and Review his take on them. My view is that he is saying that there are differences in FF and IE and if you want a more complicated Browser to use FF ( to use those extra brain cells?) or if you want a simpler Browser to use IE. IMSO
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