I am a soldier who lost a leg in iraq.
I came back home in darkness with so many shrouds without anybody noticing us.
I have made a vow to myself to reveal the lies of those who robbed my life.
here is the truth they are trying to conceal from you


As casualties mount in Iraq, so has the monetary cost of the war. The military is now spending more than $5.8 billion each month, top officials told Congress this week.
..
The Army, with about 110,000 soldiers on the ground in Iraq, has a monthly "burn rate" of $4.7 billion.
The Air Force is spending about $800 million monthly.
The Marines, which are spearheading the fighting in Fallujah, had an average monthly war cost of $300 million


The US goverment uses lots of methods to reduce the number of victims:

Only American soldiers are counted into the statistics, and even in this category they don't give the exact numbers

And what if we knew that the US government gave thousands of non-Americans promises of a citizenship if they fight in Iraq

and what if we knew that The US governenment uses thousands of american, british, and other bounty killers who work for the "special security companies" for high salaries and the US government isn't responsible for their safety

Number of killed soldiers till now : 9,500

Number of wounded soldiers till now : 24,000

number of deserters : 8,000

war cost till now :
http://costofwar.com/

number of bounty killers in Irak : 27,000

number of bounty killers killed till now : 16,300

Iraqi daily average attacks : 80-90

and u can get a look on this information urself usin this link :

http://cia.555mb.com/

and here


The Ultimate Deception?
By Jim Lampley
June 18, 2005
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblo...tion_2838.html

Press Reports on U.S. Casualties: About 17,000 Short, UPI Says
By Mark Benjamin, UPI
September 15, 2004
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/ea..._id=1000630846

20,802 US Soldiers Heavily WoundedBy Raed
November 24, 2004
http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/...y-wounded.html

Their Blood Is In Bush's Hand
(Flash Presentation)
http://www.bushflash.com/ma.html

Murder By Numbers
(Flash Presentation)
http://66.230.230.110/geeklog/public...40602204332930

Maping Death: Iraq War Fatalities: By day: By Country
March 20, 2003 - June 20, 2005
(Flash Presentation)
http://www.obleek.com/iraq/index.html

The Soldier's Heart
PBS Frontline
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ws/heart/view/

Iraq: The Uncounted
November 21, 2004
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in656756.shtml

Stockpiling the Wounded from Iraq
Inside Walter Reed Hospital
By Nicole Colson
June 06, 2005
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson06062005.html

This was a very good read from a year ago.

The warmongers 'love' the troops, until they come home . . . damaged
By Doris H. Colmes
June 29, 2004
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/12573

http://www.americanprogress.org
http://www.awitness.org/journal/real_iraq_war.html
http://icasualties.org/oif/
http://antiwar.com/casualties/list.php
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/
http://www.homelandsecurity.org/resources.asp
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/index.html
http://www.crisispapers.org/topics/iraq.htm

ah, another terrorist sympathiser trying to turn Iraq into Vietnam.

Like it or not bozo, but there are less people dead in Iraq from violence than there are people dead from traffic accidents.
In fact, the number of troops hurt in Iraq due to accidents that would happen in peacetime is higher than the number hurt in Iraq (per 1000 people).
The daily casualty count due to Saddam's violence against his own people was several times higher than the number of people being hurt right now (and most of those are terrorists).
Of course you don't want to acknowledge that because it doesn't fit your agenda.

And then we don't even mention the good our troops do there.
Building schools, hospitals, providing education and healthcare to scores of people that never had it before because Saddam didn't like them.
But then you don't want that known do you?

Because all you want is to turn the world against the US and in favour of Muslim fundamentalists, to establish Muslim law as the law of the land all over the world and mullahs as the rulers of the planet.

I don't understand you people about the number of casaulties in this war. If you think it's so high, then grab a book and or goto one of your one sided websites and look at the numbers from the past...Compared to the past this is one of the most succesful wars of all time, that is of course based upon number of deaths...That's what you've implied matters most.

I'm sorry to hear you say that you lost a leg, if that is infact true. I personally don't believe you. I think your the same idiot that came in here advertising terrorist propaganda. I don't think a real soldier would be complaining and "downing" america in a time like this. If you were really over there and saw what saddam was doing then you wouldn't be opening your mouth.


You need to go live in another country. When that country is in political crisis, suffereing from natural disaster, or in financial trouble, do you know who is willing to jump in and help when no one else will? Yeah, that's right America.

I hate you dummies that find all the bad things happening which don't outway the good, but will never let the good be known. And who is concealing this information from us? Google can turn that crap up in milliseconds, and I can flip to any news channel and find the same stuff(you know because they are interested in showing all the bad as you are)

Geez, there is so much I want to say to you, but I like this forum too much to get into anymore trouble with people like you.
Again, I still think you're the same dude that posted those terrorist pictures in another thread(except with a different user name). Even if you aren't I don't believe you were in the war, nor do I believe you lost your leg and you won't be able to convince me otherwise.

Soldiers killed in Iraq:1752

Civilians killed in Iraq:25814

Soldiers killed in World War two in America alone:405,399

So, as you can see, with all the progress that we are making compared to a lot of wars, this war has been extremely succesful. If you are indeed a real soldier and have lost your leg, then please accept my apologies for showing you the facts.

what they said....except x1000, idiot.

Enough with the abuse!!!!

:mad::evil::mad::evil:

Disagree with comments someone makes but there is no need whatsoever to call someone names when doing so. That sort of behaviour only belittles the argument that you try to put forward yourself.

People are entitled to hold rigid and conflicting views, and to express them. they are also entitled to expect courtesy in the way that others put forward their disagreement. If anybody here finds it impossible to put forward their views without being abusive or discourteous then I'd suggest they don'y bother. Member accounts WILL be suspended if such behaviour is continually exhibited!


Comparison of statistics gathered during WWII are rather meaningless for the purposes of this particular discussion, by the way. They demonstarte nothing whatsoever.

For the record, I'm Australian, I supported the Iraq war and still do so. Call me stupid, because the Iraq war was NEVER about defeating terrorists or protecting the world against 'Weapons of Mass Destruction'. Regardless, I believe that brutal, hideous regimes such as that of Saddam Hussein SHOULD be toppled by the collective efforts of the free world.

I believe the Iraq war to be now over and won! I believe that we in the so-called 'free World' have a collective responsibility to continue peace keeping activities in the region. Note that I said 'PEACE KEEPING'. We are no longer engaged in a 'war' against a tangible foe of any description! Even El-Queda is no longer an 'organisation' at which we can strike! It has metamorphosed into an ideology rather than an organisation. The various 'cells' of the movement can and do act independently of one another without ever having any contact in any way whatsoever. They are simply groups of private individuals following a belief system! That 'belief system' is NOT Islam, and anyone who thinks so is foolishly ill-informed.


Regardless of my support, then and now, I am not so blind or stupid as to believe that any other outcome in relation to Terrorism other than an increase in it was ever going to be the outcome of the Iraq war. The intelligence was available prior to the Iraq War's commencement to indicate clearly that International Terrorism would INCREASE as a result of it! Sobeit. It is a blight on humanity that always needed to be brought out into the open and confronted. Ultimately, military 'might' cannot EVER defeat it!

We need to get stronger in our collective stance against inhumanity. We need to get serious in our efforts to bring resources to the less privileged areas of the World, and to share our wealth rather than hoard it and deny others.

was it the "x1000" because I dont even think its possible, actually I dont even think it makes sense.

Anyways, im for the cause, just dont draft me because I will move to Canada :p

And most of it brought about by our own media which make (potential) terrorists see the west as weak, divided, ready to give in to any demand no matter how absurd if they only destroy our image of invulnerability.

United we stand, divided we fall. When did we forget that lesson, or more properly when did the media forget that lesson and started to actively work against the best interests of the people they're supposedly serving with information?

US troops now drop footballs and running shoes from their helicopters instead of the handgranades and poison gas Saddam's forces used.
Where is that reported in our media? Where are the stories of villages and towns where people have a future again?

Cat no one is calling you stupid for saying the war was not based upon terrorist. I agree with you, BUT no matter what the reason it had to be done. I hear people complain about: "well, these other countries do this and that, why aren't we there?".. The US will do what it can and knows it's limitations. If we help one country(iraq) then that's one country we made a difference to. To sit back and watch what was going on is JUST AS BAD as what saddam was doing.

Someone who took the time to write all that junk has posted it in more than one forum and will expect comments like this, and may not even look back at the comments after they post. I don't understand why this person posted this in a tech forum????? Would it not make more sense to post it in a government/war debate forum?

Anyways, you're talking about the abuse will get accounts suspended, but I take great offence to the one sided propaganda garbage that he posted. Name calling means nothing to me, but something like this just down right pisses me off, and my views should be allowed as anyones in a topic like this. Maybe you don't understand because you don't like in the US, but I just get so pissed when I see topics complianing about the war, or even our president because they don't even have the facts right or all of the facts.

If comments is not allowed that are abusive(even though I think his was the most abusive of any of us) in a topic like this, then I will gladly take a suspension setting him straight even though I would hate to get banned or suspended. This guy was not asking for opinions, it's not like he ask: " do you guys think the war in iraq is right?"..That would have been a fine friendly topic, but this was nothing of the sort.

Forgive me for posting my views.

His post is not abusive. It simply makes claims that you disagree with.

Your suggestion that I possibly can't be understanding because I don't live in the US is patronising in the extreme! And the 'name calling' is the only thing that really matters to me in my role as moderator here. It won't be happening

Do you honestly not realise that your own rigid views can also be seen as 'one sided propaganda garbage'? Different strokes for different folks, and people have conflicting views. Perhaps some people need to realise and accept that.