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I smoke (cigarettes too).

I vote for PSU replacment. Wouldn't cost you more than $30 to get the 550W like I did.


It is really frustrating when you must guess the power consumption of your hardware. I'm wondering, is it really that hard to declare power consumption of a HD or GPU, or mobo... Would make things simpler when it comes to building PC's.
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I smoke hair spray...:mrgreen:

It is really frustrating when you must guess the power consumption of your hardware. I'm wondering, is it really that hard to declare power consumption of a HD or GPU, or mobo... Would make things simpler when it comes to building PC's.
Unfortunately I haven't seen something like this http://www.meisterkuehler.de/cms/energieverbrauch.html in english yet. (Scroll down the page a bit to see the power consumption calculator. You'll get some typical numbers for the various components this way, too)
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that's some scary shit
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Thx for the link.

Too bad that it is in german and outdated. (didn't find Athlon 64 +3700 nor GeForce 7800 GT, closest one was High-end vga with 512 MB)

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Turns out 352 W

More than one in question here.
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More than one in question here.
Nope. The only one is they assume 140W for the "High end-512MB" - the 7800GT 512 MB takes only 55W according to this article.

I'm pretty sure your 3700+ does not consume more than 90W. The whole calculation has some margin of error and will give you a good approximation only. The result is a "worst case" maximum value.
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My is GAINWARD GeForce 7800 GT 512 MB and it supports dual DVI unlike one in the test.
Nevertheless, I would be very pleased if it is 55W. That would mean that SLI would not require mo' power.

Taking in consideration possibility of OCing, I am convinced that the calculation is far from exact. I think that it should be used for approx. projection of power consumption when building PC.

It gives you a picture of what the PSU should and shouldn't be. I like that.
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I think that it should be used for approx. projection of power consumption when building PC. It gives you a picture of what the PSU should and shouldn't be.
That's what the introductory article on top of that page says. For that purpose, +/- 20W doesn't matter. The other purpose of the page is to calculate the annual costs for the juice. I'm not sure if I really wanted to know that...:eek:

Yes, the G7x chips are pretty power-saving and cool running GPUs (latest 90 nm technology), but I wonder a bit about that 55W, too. But AFAIR they need less or at least not more power than the fastest Geforce 6 cards.
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While I don't have an answer to your problem I thought I would describe my recent experience and what I have found so far.

A couple of weeks ago my Win2K system went down hard. Missing OS files during boot etc. In other words it was toast. After re-installing the OS I discovered that a 1GB memory module was dead. I also noticed that one of the three IDE hard drives in the system kept seeking randomly as if it was struggling, so I decided to get another one of those too.

Since I didn't want to keep buying the same old IDE hard drives I picked up an SATA drive (Seagate 750GB) and an Adaptec DuoConnect SATA board that plugs into a PCI slot. I quickly found that I was unable to format the new hard drive and that it was seeking randomly also. Using another PC I powered the new drive by itself and it stopped its seeking problem. So then I picked up a new power supply and no more seeking problem.

Unfortunately, I introduced a problem unknown to me by my upgrade. One that I have come to believe is somewhat common with these new SATA drives and controllers. My audio card (Soundblaster Audigy 4) clicks, stutters, hesitates and pops a lot. Especially if I do anything that causes the system to work harder while its playing back a sound file, open another program etc. This is a real bummer as I used this system to record a lot of old record albums. I never had any problems with the sound before installing the SATA hardware, even with the other power supply which does appear to be bad. Researching this on the internet I have found several posts from people who describe the same problems or try to explain why the SATA hardware is causing this. Basically, the only real solution I have heard so far is to get a motherboard that has a built-in SATA controller "On its own bus" and not sharing the PCI bus with your audio card.
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Thanks for your report. This confirms the suspicion that the threadstarter's PSU is the problem.

Your sound problem can maybe solved by changing slots. I don't know your mobo, but the scheme is like this:
The bus has 4 hardware INT (errupt) lines (not to confuse with IRQs), called INT A to INT D. When two busy devices share one INT line to assign IRQ requests, the problem occurs. Your soundcard is sharing an INT line, probably with your S-ATA PCI card.
Refer to the mobo manual to find a PCi slot that shares with a device you don't use or that's less bandwith consuming, maybe with a WiFi device or the LAN. So the problems you were finding in the net were not necessarily due to the S-ATA in particular, but with this INT-thing in general.

There is one more thing that could render the theory above useless: I'm not shure if Audigy cards are as avid on PCI resources as their precessors. That means that a bandwith-hungry S-ATA controller plus the Audigy can have problems, regardless if they share an INT line or not. But try the slot shuffle and maybe it helps. Good luck!
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