so has blair. they are both idiots

i fear gordon brown will be the same

Hes the new prime minister right? I doubt it, I mean he will probably want to go in an opposite direction and try to distance himself from bush and blair.

I really do not see why America is considered a "good", "democratic", and "free" country. We are supposed to stand for justice, yet we hold supposed "terrorists" in jail without trial, we kidnap suspicious looking people (basically arabs) and send them to be tortured, we hold rigged elections, the president blatantly lies constantly, and we are hypocritical enough to consider Iran and North Korea "rogue" states. What country invaded Iraq for no reason other than oil? No it wasn't North Korea or Iran, it was the US. Face it, America sucks.

Several points:

1. 'Good' for a nation is in many ways meaningless; even more so when you consider that it's generally also a worthless term when applied to individuals. 'Good' usually means 'I agree with that person|statement|idea'.

2. We aren't really democratic, no. We're a republic. If America were a true democracy, then it would take forever for any decisions to be made; I think I prefer things the way they are. It's worked out quite well so far.

3. Freedom includes the freedom to take the consequences. If the actions someone takes, or the views someone espouses, are seen to present a danger to the safety or livelihood of those around him, then he can be penalized for that. Or would you prefer to just give a lifetime guaranteed 'get out of jail free' card to everyone and let them do whatever they want?

4. Exactly which elections are you referring to? The only rigging I can think of in recent or semi-recent history was when Al Gore tried to claim Florida in the 2000 election by 1) Requesting recounts in only strongly-democratic-oriented voting precincts, 2) Attempted to violate Florida State Law by insisting that recounts be run beyond the mandatory deadline established in the state laws concerning elections.

5. If someone gives a statement with a truth-value of '0', but they believe, on the best evidence they have, that the statement has a truth-value of '1', it's not a lie. It is simply an inaccurate statement. Where is your proof that the current administration is deliberately stating inaccuracies while knowing them to be false? Note: The ability to scream 'BUSH LIED! BUSH LIED!' ad infinitum does not constitute proof.

6. So you're saying that the attempt to eliminate the threat of a near-nuclear nation, run by an individual known for his mistreatement of those under his 'ministrations', and who had the desire to destroy the United States, isn't a reason?

War is never a good option. Second of all countries might like us more if we did not invade so many countries for no reason. Good thing is, since Iraq is a mess, the american public will not stand for another war.

America is screwed up and bush knows it. No longer is he and his increasingly uneasy republican party screaming statements such as "cut and run" and "we must stay the course". You know why? Because america is tired of that propaganda. The was in Iraq is a failure, and thus the Bush administration.

There is a reason why terrorists hate us. Its because 1) we are to materialistic, and 2) we support srael which has occupied Palestine for quite some time. Its ironic that Israel was created for the jews to escape persecution, yet that is what they are doing to arabs. That sounds hypocritical to me.

Iraq / Afgnaistan = new Northern Ireland for us, or vietnam for you

Hey, I'd rather that they arrest on the basis of discrimination and torture them in hopes that they do find the terrorist.. Personally, I'd rather that they were tortured than fear an airplane flying into my home, work, or somewhere for vacation. Sure, it's not democratic, but it's for our own safety.
True. The only reason we invaded Iraq was for oil.. Hussein had no weapons of mass destruction, and I seriously doubt he could hit us from Iraq anyway. Bush used this and September 11th to emotionally connect with the American people, and he manipulated our feelings in order to go to war (Well, I seriously doubt that Bush thought that up on his own.. he was probably just following orders). We should have only stuck with Afghanistan and catching Osama b/c he is the one who organized that attacks on September 11th.

People hate us because we are wealthy, pigheaded, and so laid back. Many countries have really low standards of living, and personally, I think they are jealous of the American way of life. But others are upset that we act as the "World Police"

You may be right, but regardless its against the constitution. But we should give them a trial right? In fact, we are actually making this nation more susceptible to terrorism by torturing people. By torturing people, we make the world hate us even more, which in turn creates more terrorists.

How is it against the constitution? The constitution protects the rights of its people.. most of the people that we torture are not American citizens... so I don't see a legal conflict at all.

We have spurred terrorism by acting like terrorists ourselves.. We shouldn't have gone to war with Iraq at the beginning.. and we should just let them go to civil war and kill each other off now. However, if we are to stay in Iraq, I say we do it right. Get the damn media out of there, and have our troops do whatever they have to.. if this involves doing stuff considered 'immoral' then so be it.

That will create more terrorists. The US cannot win the war on terror. A country cannot win against a group with limitless resources and limitless support, it is impossible. Just as microsoft cannot win against linux.

haha.. you've got to throw in linux

I do agree, America cannot win the war on terror by playing by the rules. We can win if we use our strong and technologically advanced military to its full efficiency. IE, killing innocent civilians, using neutron bombs, bombing the **** out of every city, using more advanced missiles and state-of-the-art weaponry. We have yet to utilize our military strength, because people back home might consider it 'wrong'. However, we are at WAR. We should do whatever necessary to make sure we win quickly. None of this 'civilized' rules of war bs.. there are no rules in war.