Well said. Tell me why, then, I am entering my fourth semester of college as a Computer Science major and still have not even touched a GUI of any kind? (Damn Hofstra U). There is, however, one professor who is in love with QT (but then again, heaven forbid we use something like Glade; it has to be hand-coded!)

GLADE = GTK+ Unix Interface Builder
drag-n-drop widgets onto the form very similar to the way it's done in VB, only it works with Linux C++ in XWindows

Do you know whether you will be taught a particular GUI later in the course? Not that I'd see it as a major drop off if you weren't.

Did I say my fourth semester at college? I meant my fourth YEAR! And no plans on ever learning any GUI during any part of the computer science curriculum at Hofstra U.

Bob, were you talking to me or fakespike?

My previous post? To you. And once again, I don't see it as a major drop-off if you don't touch a GUI on your course.

Besides, if you can't even remember what year you're taking, what chance do you have with something as complex as a GUI ;-)

Oh shush Yup, just finished my third year so I'm entering my fourth year in the fall.

hmm..i find that disturbing. fourth year!? and still no cheese.
well no wonder you dont like your uni.
the best way to motivate a student is for him/her to see her full finished product looking all nice and all. besides its to give you a break and to show more of ur artistic side.

the reason i want to learn api and gui in such a rush is to see my finished product. When my program looks like something that I once use to buy I get a great satisfaction and that in turn motivates me to continue. but now always looking at a black screen no matter how good the code is. It still feels missing and looks cheap and isn’t very satisfying.

hmm i dont know if any of this makes sense to you.

i knwo the right thing is to take it one step at a time. but i dont want to jump and learn to make windows again. i will be content with just making a simple interface for my programs. anything as long as its not a black dos screen .

You could always draw out a VB form with a cmd button to call your sickly looking console app .......... just a thought