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I dont think it would that hard. just have multiple fake roots and chroot to the right root with a some type of "pre-init" script. (maybe have you could have a universal kernel? Or you could I guess have some type of loader kernel? mm...)
Oh yeah, that's an option, too. I was thinking along the lines of having two root filesystems in the same directory. Chrooting would be a lot easier, but it would still be very difficult for anyone that's not used Linux a lot (as it seems from the poster in question).

I just thought of creating disk images of partitions and saving them to the main one, then mounting them at boot time, although I'm not sure how well that would work (if at all).

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That some Linux gurus have been installing more than one version of Linux in some parition reserved for linux?is iit possible and how is it done if yes?
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i have some 15gb unpartioned space in my hdd and want to try Linux and maybe Ubuntu server Version on the same partition.Can i make it?
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Yes you can install as many operating systems as you have physical space for.
Thanks for the post, mepnoob. I don't mean to put you down or anything, but don't you think that you aren't answering the poster's question? The poster wanted to know if it was possible to install several Linux root filesystems to the same partition, and you responded with how to chainload 145 operating systems.
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am so eager to understand this.That some Linux gurus have been installing more than one version of Linux in some parition reserved for linux?is iit possible and how is it done if yes?

i have some 15gb unpartioned space in my hdd and want to try Linux and maybe Ubuntu server Version on the same partition.Can i make it?
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Actually 15 gig is just barely enough to pull it off. For an install of ubuntu or MEPIS you need a small root partition of about 5 Gb, a linux/swap formatted partition of 512Mb or bigger (I use 1 Gb for swap.) and a home partition of at least 5 gb. That will leave you five gb that you could use for the server. Maybe you could defrag, defrag, defrag and then use an app like gparted to shrink the windows partition to be able to squeeze a bit more room for playing. Another easy idea would be to get another hard drive and use it for linux and testing other operating systems.

I use MEPIS for everything. It is #1 for me.
PCLinuxOS is a strong #2. If there were no MEPIS i would use PCLinuxOS.
For an older computer I say to use antiX.
AntiX is based on the newest MEPIS and will run on 64Mb of ram. Antix uses fluxbox and icewm as windows managers but comes with kde libs so you can install kde stuff.

And joe I think I answered the question just fine. He was curious about booting more than one system after all. My post showed him how. Mepislovers is a great place to learn more about multi-booting.
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>Actually 15 gig is just barely enough to pull it off. For an install of ubuntu or MEPIS you need a small root partition of about 5 Gb, a linux/swap formatted partition of 512Mb or bigger (I use 1 Gb for swap.) and a home partition of at least 5 gb. That will leave you five gb that you could use for the server. Maybe you could defrag, defrag, defrag and then use an app like gparted to shrink the windows partition to be able to squeeze a bit more room for playing. Another easy idea would be to get another hard drive and use it for linux and testing other operating systems.

For a server, the lfs website says its possible to get a lfs system w/ apache under ~5 mb.

On my arch linux system I believe my base install took up around ~400 mb. (swap is for losers ;-p)


For a server I really don't understand why anyone would use ubuntu... (presumably a person who is knowledgeable enough to run a server would be knowledgeable enough to use another distro)
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I use debian, centos and slackware on my servers but I like ubuntu on my desktops. On ubuntu itys just 1 click to get restricted drivers and codecs whereas it can be a pain under vanilla debian.
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>I use debian, centos and slackware on my servers but I like ubuntu on my desktops. On ubuntu itys just 1 click to get restricted drivers and codecs whereas it can be a pain under vanilla debian.

The debian devs strike me as a bunch of moral elitists who are a bit too much like the FSF for me.
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For a server I really don't understand why anyone would use ubuntu... (presumably a person who is knowledgeable enough to run a server would be knowledgeable enough to use another distro)
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I use debian, centos and slackware on my servers but I like ubuntu on my desktops. On ubuntu itys just 1 click to get restricted drivers and codecs whereas it can be a pain under vanilla debian.
Completely agreed. Ubuntu's goal seems to be ease of use, abstraction, etc. Which is the completely wrong approach for a server model. If you can't handle the guts of a server, you shouldn't be attempting to set one up. And for those who can handle the guts of a server, use something more low-level for flexibility and speed.
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Exactly. Thats why I use debian/slack for my servers and restrict ubuntu for the desktop

Ubuntu is a bad choice for the server as its based on debian sid (unstable) and uses emerging technologies which have not been thoroughly proven. I also dont agree with using "sudo" on a server.

Debian on the other hand is very stable and has a long release cycle

The debian / Ubuntu thing is just like with Redhat. Redhat have Fedora for home pcs and RHEL for servers. RHEL has a long lifecycle and is stable whereas Fedora is cutting edge and easy to use.
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>I also dont agree with using "sudo" on a server.
I've heard a number of arguments between sudo vs. su; I'm curious to hear yours.
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Personally i think that anyone who calls themselves a server admin aught to know how and when to use root access responsibly.
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