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You're asking the right question. Why in the world would he do that? But let's look at it this way... God 'bashes' murderers, liars, cheaters, thieves, adulterers, etc. even though they are His creation also.

Murderers choose to kill, liars choose to lie, cheaters choose to cheat, adulterers choose to commit adultery... gays choose to be homosexual. God created these individuals, but they chose their lifestyle.
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Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."
Some amusing ways this could be interpreted:

1. You're not allowed to tell the same kind of lies to a man that you would a woman. Like: "Your bottom really doesn't look fat in that outfit."

2. It's ok as long as you're standing up.
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Murderers choose to kill, liars choose to lie, cheaters choose to cheat, adulterers choose to commit adultery... gays choose to be homosexual. God created these individuals, but they chose their lifestyle.
You are assuming that gays choose to be gay. That is in reverse also that hets choose to be hets and therefore could just as easily choose to be gay. I don't think it is that easy or even works that way. Just as people are born with skin color people are also born with sexual orientation (which is also an assumption on my part).
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gays choose to be homosexual.
Christina !

When did you sit down and fully consciously decide/choose to find Duki a bit of a smasher?

It had nothing to do with puberty, hormones and endorphins blah blah yadda, they didn't influence you at all ? Or rather you consciously *chose* to produce endorphins in your brain when you met him ?
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>You're asking the right question. Why in the world would he do that? But let's look at it this way... God 'bashes' murderers, liars, cheaters, thieves, adulterers, etc. even though they are His creation also.


Like Ancient Dragon said, you don't choose to be gay, its akin to being of low intelligence. Do people choose to have a low iq? No they don't.
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Some amusing ways this could be interpreted:

1. You're not allowed to tell the same kind of lies to a man that you would a woman. Like: "Your bottom really doesn't look fat in that outfit."

2. It's ok as long as you're standing up.
That's not at all what it means. If you didn't notice, I got that scripture from the King James Version. Maybe I should have used NIV.
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You are assuming that gays choose to be gay. That is in reverse also that hets choose to be hets and therefore could just as easily choose to be gay. I don't think it is that easy or even works that way. Just as people are born with skin color people are also born with sexual orientation (which is also an assumption on my part).
Well I've made up my decision that I'm not going to believe gays are 'born that way' until it is proven. So till then, we just have different "assumptions."
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Christina !

When did you sit down and fully consciously decide/choose to find Duki a bit of a smasher?

It had nothing to do with puberty, hormones and endorphins blah blah yadda, they didn't influence you at all ? Or rather you consciously *chose* to produce endorphins in your brain when you met him ?
Hmm... my hormones did not choose Caleb, I did. There were several other men before him that I found attractive, but they weren't right for me... so I chose not to be with them. Hormones don't rule my life like most, I have self-control and I use it.
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1. You're not allowed to tell the same kind of lies to a man that you would a woman. Like: "Your bottom really doesn't look fat in that outfit."

2. It's ok as long as you're standing up.
... God created Adam and Eve... not Adam and Steve.
haha, good to see someone else is helping out with the comedy.

Personally (don't hate me...) - it's completely unnatural. I do not believe it is genetic and unless someone can prove to me 100% that it is, I will contine to think that it is just some absurd theory that helps homosexuals sleep better at night. I believe it is solely based on decision. I've had a couple gay friends during high school and one of them actually told me that he didn't even believe that people were born that way. It's the same as someone choosing who they want to date or marry. I do believe that hormones can influence a person's decision, but that doesn't mean they were born that way. Homosexuality is simply just a chosen lifestyle and nothing else.
Hmm... my hormones did not choose Caleb, I did. There were several other men before him that I found attractive, but they weren't right for me... so I chose not to be with them. Hormones don't rule my life like most, I have self-control and I use it.
Ok, you found the other guys attractive, did you consciously (eek bad spelling) decide that? or was it more of an instinct? I know I don't chose, it's either there or it's not. You chose not to get with the other guys but you did find them attractive. In the same way a guy could find other guys attractive but chose to be with a girl?

Not sure if I'm explaining myself at all.

wow, well that's pretty hot..
lol however, I have never thought another guy was hot..
not even once? for a milliesecond? And wait till you see me from the front before you decide if it's hot or not
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Well I've made up my decision that I'm not going to believe gays are 'born that way' until it is proven. So till then, we just have different "assumptions."
Can you prove you were not born hetrosexual ? No, you can't prove that either. Think of it this way then: how difficult would it be for YOU to "choose" to become a lesbian ? My guess -- practically impossible even if we ignored the Bible. So then, did you "choose" to become a hextrosexual or were you born that way? At what point in your life did you conscientiously decide that you like men rather than women. Again, you probably didn't -- you made that decision without even thinking about it.
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no... she was raised believing being heterosexual was the right thing...she grew up having crushes for boys, not girls... remember Rousseau:

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Ok, you found the other guys attractive, did you consciously (eek bad spelling) decide that? or was it more of an instinct? I know I don't chose, it's either there or it's not. You chose not to get with the other guys but you did find them attractive. In the same way a guy could find other guys attractive but chose to be with a girl?

Not sure if I'm explaining myself at all.
I understand your explanation... I did find the other guys attractive, but I chose not to pursue after them. And sure, men could like other men and women could like other women, but that doesn't mean you're born that way. And if they chose to be with a girl, wouldn't that make them bisexual? Wait a minute... are people born to be bisexual? No. It's just raging hormones.
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Can you prove you were not born hetrosexual ? No, you can't prove that either. Think of it this way then: how difficult would it be for YOU to "choose" to become a lesbian ? My guess -- practically impossible even if we ignored the Bible. So then, did you "choose" to become a hextrosexual or were you born that way? At what point in your life did you conscientiously decide that you like men rather than women. Again, you probably didn't -- you made that decision without even thinking about it.
Okay, here is where I can prove that homosexuality is a decision... first of all - when my gay friend tells me that he chose to be gay. And second - when homosexuality is considered "abnormal" and "unnatural" because it causes the inability to reproduce in the human race. Homosexuality is a lifestyle, not based on genetics. Even science does not support the claim that homosexuality is genetic... and you can find evidence everywhere. Scientists have actually discovered that most of the reason why people are homosexual is due to environmental factors that can elicit some behavior. And if anyone has noticed, homosexuality/bisexuality has become more and more prominent... why? Because society has let it become an "okay" lifestyle.

And why in the world aren't gay couples or lesbian couples able to reproduce? Because it's unnatural. Don't you think if it was indeed natural or normal, they would have the ability to bear children?

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no... she was raised believing being heterosexual was the right thing...she grew up having crushes for boys, not girls... remember Rousseau:
I was never raised that way... never has my parents told me that liking the other girls in my grade was wrong. I never even knew about gays/lesbians until my teenage years in high school. Again I say, hormones. Honestly, if people were "born that way" ... why didn't they show signs of this behavior in their early years?
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