it seems to be that most agree that the sheer speed of c++ does not make it more suitable for games.

the real problem is rather that neither java nor c# has the libraries for games that c++ has been accumulating for decades.

does this mean that once one of these languages acquire those libraries that c++ is going to have a competitor?

C# has excellent DirectX support so your comment is wrong

and Java has excellent OpenGL support and networking support that far exceeds anything C++ has to offer...

No, Java far exceeds what STANDARD c++ has to offer (which is nothing), but IMHO the libs available for c++ and java are about the same, only difference is java has a lot built in whereas standard c++ is very bare

C++ is what major software companies use to make games. End of story.

C++ will never be replaced by C# because they serve two totally different purposes... C# was not designed to make full fledged games. It is of course not imposible, but it is not feasible. You can do unmanaged in C#, but.. what's the point? C++ does that for you and is built for that reason.

I am a C# Developer and use it for the reason it was created. Enterprise Application Development.

No you cant.

>libraries

i am not talking about the standard C++ library. that i know is far more limited that either java or c#'s libraries. i am taliking about gaming libraries. those like ogre, alegra, boost and so on. i know little about games but i am sure that c++ has developed even more class libraries for gaming over the decades.

>C# for application development...
if c# was really always intended for application development then what is microsoft trying to do with XNA? are they just blowing smoke or do they actually believe that XNA and C# has a chance?

i know that c++ is faster, smaller in memory etc. but with computer power and memory size growing all the time how long is this going to be a factor?

i have tried to learn c++ and stopped since i had to start learning c# as well and there are only so many hours in a day. i did not find c++ that hard but it is still way harder than c#. if someone devotes himself to c++ then the difficulty should become negligable. so lets remove difficulty as a factor. why else would microsoft want to bet on XNA and c#? is it quicker to develop in c# when it comes to games? i know it is when it comes to application development?

@mariocatch

would you mind supplying reasons why you say its just not feasible?

XNA isnt designed for serious games, its for hobbyists. They are planning for C# Express + XNA to be the next QBASIC, if you know what i mean.

Like the previous poster said, if you plan on developing a full fledged game with XNA, you're outa your mind.

And yes, you can do unmanaged in C#. Look it up.

I thaught you couldnt write unmanaged C# but you can call unmanaged DLLS and embed ASM in it