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Yes, another controversial thread by me

First of all, Let me just say that I am NOT racist, and that this thread is dedicated to the theory that there are genetic differences among the different human races.

Don't be an ignorant fool and simply post 'oh this is bull!!'. It is scientifically plausible. Think about it: In the past, geography has been a major obstacle for humanity. Based on evolution and modern Darwinism, it is possible that homo sapiens gradually evolved, but slowly spread out across the globe. So, at one point all homo sapiens were genetically similar. However, as humans adapted to their specific regions (The white people in Europe, the blacks in Africa, the asians in Asia), we have grown genetically apart due to microevolution. We adapted differently because the environments in each of those continents was drastically different. Over time, these genetic variations and microevolution created huge differences among the races of humanity.

Analogy? Such a thing has happened to many other species of animals. The Canis familaris. Today, the species dog is extremely diverse. There are some dogs, such as the german shepperd, that are extremely intelligent. There are some dogs, such as the greyhound, that are extremely fast. Dogs come in all shapes and sizes.. some are more intelligent than others.. and some are also more athletic than others. I propose a similar situation has happened to the human race.

Okay, genetic differences in race. Sounds stupid? What if I told you that very respectable scientists around the world are slowly coming to this conclusion. Do you know who James Watson is? Him and Crick discovered the structure of DNA, and he is one of the most renowned scientists of the modern World. He believes that there are genetic differences among the races of humanity: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2677098.ece

There are many more scientists who back-up Watson, but I know most people are psychologically blocking such a theory. We grew up believing that all men were created equal, and recently it has been burned into our brains by the government and educational system. But.. what if they are wrong? What if all men were not created equal? I ask this question purely as a skepticist. We need people to question the authorities.. it is what makes democracy so great.

Anyway, I have done research and my results are the following:
Black people have an average IQ score of 85 as opposed to whites averaging 100, and Asians average 107. These differences do not appear to be based on environmental factors either:
"Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even after matching on maternal education and other variables," said Rushton. "Therefore they cannot be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect."
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/7669
http://serc.carleton.edu/introgeo/ea...humanrace.html
Prior to 1973, when the AAMR changed the definition of mental retardation, 45% of all black Americans were officially classified as retarded.

Also, I have found that crimes in America are mostly committed by African-Americans. Black people have the highest percent of incarcerated individuals, and I have found statistics that say there are more black people in prison than in college. In regards to education, black people score poorer on standardized test scores than other races, and have a higher dropout rate.

What do these statistics indicate? That black people are inherently bad? NO. The AVERAGE black person is less intelligent than the AVERAGE white person. This does not indicate that ALL blacks behave this way. These are just statistics.

So.. what is the point of all this? Basically, I just wanted to present data indicating that all men are NOT created equal. We are not equals. What we have been taught is in fact wrong. It is highly probable that there are genetic differences among human races. This can explain many of the statistics that I have posted.. and why there is a majority of white people in professions such as the medical field, business, and why our political leaders are white. It can also explain why the majority or athletes are black.

Why? Why are there differences? How can you explain this if you are a Christian? Why would god 'create' individuals with less intelligence than others? Why would god design seemingly superior/inferior races? Seems to me that your god is a racist.. either that or god does not exist.

*Disclaimer* This is just a theory that seems to fit the evidence and statistics I posted. Do not label me a hick/racist/redneck. I am in fact a college student who scored in the 95th percentile on the SAT, was ranked at the top of my class, and who is currently at the top of my engineering class... and my IQ is a 135.
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*Disclaimer* This is just a theory that seems to fit the evidence and statistics I posted. Do not label me a hick/racist/redneck. I am in fact a college student who scored in the 95th percentile on the SAT, was ranked at the top of my class, and who is currently at the top of my engineering class... and my IQ is a 135.
All that shows is that you are an smart and educated hick/racist/redneck. Intelligence is no excuse for racism nor does it prevent racism.
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Originally Posted by joshsch
*Disclaimer* This is just a theory that seems to fit the evidence and statistics I posted. Do not label me a hick/racist/redneck. I am in fact a college student who scored in the 95th percentile on the SAT, was ranked at the top of my class, and who is currently at the top of my engineering class... and my IQ is a 135.
All that shows is that you are an smart and educated hick/racist/redneck. Intelligence is no excuse for racism nor does it prevent racism.
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Anyway, I have done research and my results are the following:
Black people have an average IQ score of 85 as opposed to whites averaging 100, and Asians average 107. These differences do not appear to be based on environmental factors either:
"Race differences show up by 3 years of age, even after matching on maternal education and other variables," said Rushton. "Therefore they cannot be due to poor education since this has not yet begun to exert an effect."
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/node/7669
http://serc.carleton.edu/introgeo/ea...humanrace.html
Prior to 1973, when the AAMR changed the definition of mental retardation, 45% of all black Americans were officially classified as retarded.
Using the IQ of 3 year olds seems a little, well, meaningless. I'm curious as to how they matched the "maternal education and other variables" and what the other variables were.

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Also, I have found that crimes in America are mostly committed by African-Americans. Black people have the highest percent of incarcerated individuals, and I have found statistics that say there are more black people in prison than in college. In regards to education, black people score poorer on standardized test scores than other races, and have a higher dropout rate.
I believe this to be primarily due to differences in economic background. When someone comes from a relatively poor family (the African American population went from slavery to poverty, IMHO, and so they've really had to start from the bottom of the ladder), there is a greater correlation with resorting to crime to make ends meet. There is also a decreased potential educationally, such as not being able to afford the same educational institutions or assistances (e.g. tutors). Furthermore, correlating crime and intelligence is not fair. There are many smart people who also participate in crime.

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This can explain many of the statistics that I have posted.. and why there is a majority of white people in professions such as the medical field, business, and why our political leaders are white. It can also explain why the majority or athletes are black.
That again is socio-economic background. Reaching high positions in the medical, business or political fields requires a certain level of education and resources (networking is becoming extremely important). I won't argue that Africans (and their descendants) seem to be naturally gifted at sports, but that doesn't relate to intelligence either. There is also a psychological wall, especially in the case of politics. The political wall is a tougher one to get past, as it requires you to overcome both your peers and the public.
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That paragraph was a blemish on the post.


Using the IQ of 3 year olds seems a little, well, meaningless. I'm curious as to how they matched the "maternal education and other variables" and what the other variables were.


I believe this to be primarily due to differences in economic background. When someone comes from a relatively poor family (the African American population went from slavery to poverty, IMHO, and so they've really had to start from the bottom of the ladder), there is a greater correlation with resorting to crime to make ends meet. There is also a decreased potential educationally, such as not being able to afford the same educational institutions or assistances (e.g. tutors). Furthermore, correlating crime and intelligence is not fair. There are many smart people who also participate in crime.


That again is socio-economic background. Reaching high positions in the medical, business or political fields requires a certain level of education and resources (networking is becoming extremely important). I won't argue that Africans (and their descendants) seem to be naturally gifted at sports, but that doesn't relate to intelligence either. There is also a psychological wall, especially in the case of politics. The political wall is a tougher one to get past, as it requires you to overcome both your peers and the public.
Finally someone who doesn't simply reject my post as stupid and racist.
Infarction- Although I agree with you completely about the economic standpoint of African-Americans, I still believe that there must be some genetic differences. The fact of the matter is that the African-American culture does not value education. They psychologically look for what they are good at.. sports.. which involves athletic ability. They typically do worse than white people in education, and so they psychologically tell themselves that education is not important.

But also, look at our different cultures from a geographical point-of-view. Look at the state of Europe, Asia, and Africa. Prior to any outside involvement, it was obvious that Europe was far more advanced than Africa. The Europeans traveled to Africa b/c of their advanced technology. They were able to successfully enslave and overpower the Africans b/c of their intellectual and technological superiority. Even today, Africa is far below the levels of intelligence that primarily white societies have.
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LONDON, England (CNN) -- A British museum has canceled a lecture by Dr. James Watson, co-discoverer of the DNA double helix, after he claimed black people are less intelligent than whites in a recent newspaper interview.


James Watson won the 1962 Nobel prize for discovering the structure of DNA.

Watson, who won the 1962 Nobel prize for his part in discovering the structure of DNA, provoked a storm of criticism after his comments were published in the Sunday Times.

The eminent biologist told the British newspaper he was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours -- whereas all the testing says not really."

Watson, 79, had been due to give a lecture at London's Science Museum on Friday but the museum canceled his appearance, saying his comments had "gone beyond the point of acceptable debate."

The American professor's words have been roundly condemned as "racist," with fellow scientists dismissing his claims as "genetic nonsense."
So much for your expert's opinion! as well as your unsupported claim that "There are many more scientists who back-up Watson".
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>So much for your expert's opinion! as well as your unsupported claim that "There are many more scientists who back-up Watson".

Your arguments are surprisingly weak and inane. You condemn Josh as racist, yet don't give a reason. You use one the statement "with fellow scientists dismissing his claims as 'genetic nonsense.'" to somehow add legitimacy to your claim. You apparently didn't read all of Josh's post. Especially this sentence:

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Don't be an ignorant fool and simply post 'oh this is bull!!'.
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>> You condemn Josh as racist, yet don't give a reason.
If you don't know the reason then your intelligence is a lot lower than I thought it was. It doesn't take intelligence to see recism when its glaring me right in the face. Josh seems to be a member of some white supremist group and believes he knows it all because he has an IQ of 135. I now understand his obnixious behavior in other threads.
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>If you don't know the reason then your intelligence is a lot lower than I thought it was.

I don't see in anything in his post that I would classify as racist. Do you consider the quote below racist?

>The AVERAGE black person is less intelligent than the AVERAGE white person.
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>>Do you consider the quote below racist?
Yes I do.

and this statement too
>>They [blacks] typically do worse than white people in education, and so they psychologically tell themselves that education is not important

The above also applies to the differences between males and females -- I heard on the talk radio just the other day that women are more successful in college then men, there are more women graduates and their GPA is higher. So does that mean men have a lower IQ than women or could the differences be for other factors ? My uneducated guess is other factors.
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>>Do you consider the quote below racist?
Yes I do.

and this statement too
>>They [blacks] typically do worse than white people in education, and so they psychologically tell themselves that education is not important
Well then you need to ask yourself what racism is. Simply generalizing and using one person to represent a race (the average person) is statistical analysis. So I guess you dislike logic and statistics...

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The above also applies to the differences between males and females -- I heard on the talk radio just the other day that women are more successful in college then men, there are more women graduates and their GPA is higher. So does that mean men have a lower IQ than women or could the differences be for other factors ? My uneducated guess is other factors.
hahaa.. that is completely different. Women are more successful than men in college in what major? I can guarantee that this is not the case in engineering. Besides, for you to make any claim like that you need EVIDENCE. Also, there is statistical evidence that the average man's iq is the same as the average woman's.
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