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Feb 2nd, 2008
Originally Posted by sk8ndestroy14 View Post
My question is, why is it necessary to check for child pornography on laptops in airports? I could understand checking for marijuana if your plane came back from Colombia, etc. but since when does child pornography need to be physically transported in order to get it to the United States? Wouldn't it usually be done electronically over the internet? No one goes to the Philippines just to get such pictures, put them on the computer, and take them back to the United States. Not that I would have anything to hide, but I still consider it an invasion of privacy for reasons already mentioned. (By the way, a warrant isn't needed for a moveable scene of crime, whoever it was that said a warrant was needed to check your briefcase. Only suspicion is needed. Terry v. Ohio even stretched that a bit)
I don't think they were looking for child pornography.. they just found it during the search.. and considering that child pornography is ILLEGAL in the United States then it was perfectly fine for them to confiscate it. The idiot should have at least hid the porn somewhere other than "My Pictures". Idiot.
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We definitely need some racial profiling in these cases.. If some white dude dressed up in a business suit walks in with a laptop, then let him go through without checking it. But, if some muslim dude comes up wearing a towel on his head, then they should definitely confiscate his laptop and search through it for suspicious material.
Your avatar fits you perfectly. Because white businessmen are just incapable of terrorism and middleastern people are all terrorists (hope no one's stupid enough not to sense my sarcasm). Being muslim is having a certain religion, not ethnicity. A white businessman can be muslim. And what can a terrorist do with computer files that's dangerous anyway? Show you a clip from youtube of Fox news? Terrorists aren't stupid either. Those on 9/11 were living in the US for a long time already. I don't see why terrorist groups can't find white supporters (probably not al queda, I know) to dress in business suits and go onto airplanes.
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I don't think they were looking for child pornography.. they just found it during the search.. and considering that child pornography is ILLEGAL in the United States then it was perfectly fine for them to confiscate it. The idiot should have at least hid the porn somewhere other than "My Pictures". Idiot.
Of course I agree it should have been confiscated (I only skimmed the article, but I'll talk as though I know everything about it cause that's what I do, lol). What were they searching for?
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Your avatar fits you perfectly. Because white businessmen are just incapable of terrorism and middleastern people are all terrorists (hope no one's stupid enough not to sense my sarcasm). Being muslim is having a certain religion, not ethnicity. A white businessman can be muslim. And what can a terrorist do with computer files that's dangerous anyway? Show you a clip from youtube of Fox news? Terrorists aren't stupid either. Those on 9/11 were living in the US for a long time already. I don't see why terrorist groups can't find white supporters (probably not al queda, I know) to dress in business suits and go onto airplanes.
Yeah, but who is more likely to commit an act of terror- a white dude or a muslim? Obviously, the muslim is more suspect. Their religion is violent, stupid, and controlling. Does this mean that all muslims are terrorists? No. The more violent sect has less members, but still their religion is much more violent than Christianity.

I would definitely back racial profiling simply because it is more efficient at catching terrorists than just using random checks.
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We must sometimes choose between freedom and security..
Wrong! They are not antithesis of each other.
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Here, I make the exception to forfeit my freedom and allow for searches..
You can not forfeit what you do not have. You do not make an exception where you don't have choice. You do not forfeit freedom; it gets stripped from you.
You could resist, you could fight trying to protect it. That's about it.
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Then why don't they search white people more because they are more likely to commit hate crimes?
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Yeah, but who is more likely to commit an act of terror- a white dude or a muslim? Obviously, the muslim is more suspect. Their religion is violent, stupid, and controlling. Does this mean that all muslims are terrorists? No. The more violent sect has less members, but still their religion is much more violent than Christianity.

I would definitely back racial profiling simply because it is more efficient at catching terrorists than just using random checks.
Josh, you are coming across as an ASS. And I know you are not. Be more selective in your words if you want people to pay attention to what you have to say. Remember high ideas required high language.
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Wrong! They are not antithesis of each other.

You can not forfeit what you do not have. You do not make an exception were you don't have choice. You do not forfeit freedom; it gets stripped from you.
You could resist, you could fight trying to protect it. That's about it.
Actually, sometimes freedom and protection are indeed antithesis of each other. Sometimes, we must choose between having more freedoms and privacy, thus, increasing risk.. or increase our protection, but forfeit freedoms.

Airports are a great example. We used to be allowed to take just about everything on the plane and go through airport security in seconds. Now, however, we have given up some freedoms. We can no longer take certain items onto airplanes and we must wait longer for security to make sure we don't have any harmful items on person.
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Actually, sometimes freedom and protection are indeed antithesis of each other. Sometimes, we must choose between having more freedoms and privacy, thus, increasing risk.. or increase our protection, but forfeit freedoms.
You only say that because that's how you have been conditioned to think. I agree it is much more easier for authority agencies to restrict you to the point of making you a baggage.
Also, I would conceit that security is used as a pretext to control. But not, I do not agree that security and freedom are antithesis of each other.
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Well, one might say that because of terrorists, we are now forced to "forfeit" some freedom for security. This willing forfeit that you speak of was not my choice. Whether I wanted it or not, nobody asked me. In a way, you might say, the terrorists have already taken away a part of our freedom in this sense. One might say that is was the incompetence of our government that this could happen.
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