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Originally Posted by jwenting 
That stay in prison should be short, violent, and terminal.
I upped my sanitary measures, up yours!
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Originally Posted by jwenting
That stay in prison should be short, violent, and terminal.
i think morals are ust different niot necessarilly bad or better
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Originally Posted by neocoder
Something tells me that you've been a victim of crime, jwenting..?
As people are clearly allowed to attack me but I'm not allowed to defend myself, I no longer post to this site.
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Originally Posted by neocoder
Their emphasis has turned away from rehabilitation towards profit.
"No trees were harmed in the production of this post. However, several electrons were severely inconvenienced."
Kumquat.
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Originally Posted by EnderX
Please explain to me why the emphasis was ever on rehabilitation in the first place. I was always under the impression that the purpose of prisons wasn't to rehabilitate criminals, but to keep them away from potential future victims, at least for a time.
Since a sentence tends to have a release date, often after a few years, that would imply that the system hopes that the inmate has in some way changed by the time they are released.
As a deterrent, they are not working so well because, after all, in the States and NZ there are so many incarcerated. Many offended while irrational (angry, wasted, desperate), while not considering deterrents.
Over here, we the "Corrections Department", implying that offenders are in some way corrected. Not all respond, but many do. We have a prison that has a 5% rate of recidivism, not bad eh? Mind you, the population had applied to be transferred there, and were selected by psychologists.
I have no answers, just pointing out that its not as simple as just taking them out of the loop. You'd be building cities of inmates. Its got to be a bit more than that somehow.
prisons have always been for punishment. The fundamentally flawed idea that they're for "rehabillitation" was a direct spinoff of the flowerpower movement of the 1960s and early 1970s when it was thought everyone was basically nice and if only shown a lot of love and understanding would steer clear of crime.
As a result prisons were ever more changed from institutions where people are locked up to protect society into 5 star hotels where they're supposed to be "reeducated" and shown that they are really nice people at heart who made a bad mistake that really was not their fault at all.
This has of course failed utterly, as people are generally NOT nice, and the percentage of criminals who pick up their criminal enterprises after being released has gone up instead of down as the deterrence value of prison sentences has been reduced to almost nothing.
As a result prisons were ever more changed from institutions where people are locked up to protect society into 5 star hotels where they're supposed to be "reeducated" and shown that they are really nice people at heart who made a bad mistake that really was not their fault at all.
This has of course failed utterly, as people are generally NOT nice, and the percentage of criminals who pick up their criminal enterprises after being released has gone up instead of down as the deterrence value of prison sentences has been reduced to almost nothing.
As people are clearly allowed to attack me but I'm not allowed to defend myself, I no longer post to this site.
no prison is not gud for us,....... they make you break stones there.... 
..... they give you veg. food there and only 1 to go outside. And teen don't go to jail anyways they go for relabilitation.
..... they give you veg. food there and only 1 to go outside. And teen don't go to jail anyways they go for relabilitation. •
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Originally Posted by jwenting
prisons have always been for punishment. The fundamentally flawed idea that they're for "rehabillitation" was a direct spinoff of the flowerpower movement of the 1960s and early 1970s when it was thought everyone was basically nice and if only shown a lot of love and understanding would steer clear of crime.
As a result prisons were ever more changed from institutions where people are locked up to protect society into 5 star hotels where they're supposed to be "reeducated" and shown that they are really nice people at heart who made a bad mistake that really was not their fault at all.
This has of course failed utterly, as people are generally NOT nice, and the percentage of criminals who pick up their criminal enterprises after being released has gone up instead of down as the deterrence value of prison sentences has been reduced to almost nothing.
I think you're thinking purely about the really nasty offenders. I have in mind those who had addictions, drunk driving, domestic violence, not the players, the gang bangers and psychopaths. Despite their crimes, their families (and many of the maori have large extended family) are glad to see them back. I've known many, and they are a mix, some are reptiles, sure, but many are pretty normal otherwise.
As for being 5 start hotels, that really depends on the prison. The max security ones are anything but. Its the right place for some of them, sure. In the States they have these new SHU (secure housing units driven by computers) some time in a little yard alone, the rest of the time in a box. In others, its dog eat dog. Not the Hilton.
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Originally Posted by atish00
no prison is not gud for us,....... they make you break stones there....
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