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Think those student posting there homework in this site don't want to give effort to there grade. But they should be help by teaching them how to approach a programming problem so that they can solve there homework by them self. I'm an student and try to help my self. I'm just telling to my self that in very problem there are many sollution and that is true thare short sollution and trea are long sollution. There only one thing i'm going to say to all fellow member if you know how to approach you programming problem it's already easy to solve...
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i give them hints, links and book reccomendations or if its a simple mistake, i tell them , but i never give them the whoe thing or else they dont learn. the only time i will tell them (a little) code is when they have bothered to do the pseudocode and attempt the real code, but have become stuck.
TRY MY SUGGESTIONS AT YOUR OWN RISK!
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Yes thats right we should just give hint or clue to solve there problem. We shouldn't answer there homework. They should strive for there own. There's only thing I'm going to say to make there problem easy to solve they must first make a flowchart on there problem for there basis for them to solve the problem easier.
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I absolutely agree with CSCGal on both your postings.
When learning, work should be put in, that is the purpose of it, and as Samaru said
"People would learn even more if they at least tried to do it themselves first. Even if they failed at it, they would learn what not to do, and this would be shown on their post by saying what they tried."
When I instuct or manage people, I point out that failing often offers a greater reward than geting it right first time. Because with problem solving, you gain experience and wider knowledge. And that is what School Pupils, College Students and University Undergraduates are there to do.
Guidance is a better alternative, if the query looks genuine, not the answer. With Trainees and Juniors, I always seek to get them to find the answer, no matter how long it takes them. Often the slower ones learn the most, and prove in the long run to be best.
When learning, work should be put in, that is the purpose of it, and as Samaru said
"People would learn even more if they at least tried to do it themselves first. Even if they failed at it, they would learn what not to do, and this would be shown on their post by saying what they tried."
When I instuct or manage people, I point out that failing often offers a greater reward than geting it right first time. Because with problem solving, you gain experience and wider knowledge. And that is what School Pupils, College Students and University Undergraduates are there to do.
Guidance is a better alternative, if the query looks genuine, not the answer. With Trainees and Juniors, I always seek to get them to find the answer, no matter how long it takes them. Often the slower ones learn the most, and prove in the long run to be best.
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Originally Posted by cscgal 
I took everyone's advice and posted announcements about homework help in the C++, Java, Basic, and Comp. Sci. forums. As far as homework help, I see no reason why it shouldn't be included here at techtalk and I, for one, am more than willing to help.
I understand, however, that it gets very annoying when people post homework questions verbatim and expect a quick solution for an easy A without having the slighest clue what they're doing. As Dan said earlier in this thread, this forum is about learning.
For the most part, homework help should basically be on an abstract, conceptual basis. Don't simply provide code solutions outright for people who don't try at all.
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So my question would be.....
Does anyone wanting help with assignments (even adult student's) provide the information they have come up with and then suggestion could be added to it rather than providing the whole answer.... even if the student is wrong at least they have attempted it and you guru's will be able to see where we have gone wrong.... it's all educational and great learning from someone's expert knowledge when you are only learning.... just a suggestion ... not quite sure what you mean by effort????? Please Clarify
Does anyone wanting help with assignments (even adult student's) provide the information they have come up with and then suggestion could be added to it rather than providing the whole answer.... even if the student is wrong at least they have attempted it and you guru's will be able to see where we have gone wrong.... it's all educational and great learning from someone's expert knowledge when you are only learning.... just a suggestion ... not quite sure what you mean by effort????? Please Clarify
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I agree, this is a very good suggestion with some modification.
There are potential difficulties if a piece of work is for 2,000 words, that means posting 8 pages, based on handwritten script, and pro rata for say 20,000 words. Even allowing only half this amount in the early stages of the project, several pages of script to read through would be a bit cumbersome. Perhaps just listing key points already found with added threads of argument in precis form, might be a way forward.
With reference to:
"...not quite sure what you mean by effort?????" This is clearly the effort of having put in many hours ( at least 20 to 30) of research and reading, with reference to text in books, journals and Papers (and I don't mean newspapers). These could also be listed (author, title and page numbers) along with the 'key points' (as above) as evidence, which would also have to be included in the final piece of work anyway, unless you are talking about a school essay in which case they would not.
There are potential difficulties if a piece of work is for 2,000 words, that means posting 8 pages, based on handwritten script, and pro rata for say 20,000 words. Even allowing only half this amount in the early stages of the project, several pages of script to read through would be a bit cumbersome. Perhaps just listing key points already found with added threads of argument in precis form, might be a way forward.
With reference to:
"...not quite sure what you mean by effort?????" This is clearly the effort of having put in many hours ( at least 20 to 30) of research and reading, with reference to text in books, journals and Papers (and I don't mean newspapers). These could also be listed (author, title and page numbers) along with the 'key points' (as above) as evidence, which would also have to be included in the final piece of work anyway, unless you are talking about a school essay in which case they would not.
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Originally Posted by pejy69
So my question would be.....
Does anyone wanting help with assignments (even adult student's) provide the information they have come up with and then suggestion could be added to it rather than providing the whole answer.... even if the student is wrong at least they have attempted it and you guru's will be able to see where we have gone wrong.... it's all educational and great learning from someone's expert knowledge when you are only learning.... just a suggestion ... not quite sure what you mean by effort????? Please Clarify
Last edited by antona : Jul 31st, 2008 at 10:24 am.
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