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The point was that the SITE functions without javascript for the purpose of search engine indexing (which it does very well).... I dont believe that Googlebot listens to music
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And if the user has javascript turned off? Nothing happens, not good.
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What Ajax? A well written script will function without either javascript or Ajax. A good example: http://holyculturedownload.com/
But the bottomline is, if javascript is disabled, many options in the site holyculturedownload doesn't work.
FYI,
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JavaScript must be enabled in order for you to use Gmail in standard view. However, it seems JavaScript is either disabled or not supported by your browser. To use standard view, enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, then try again.
Last edited by nav33n; Apr 1st, 2008 at 3:19 am.
Ignorance is definitely not bliss!
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Originally Posted by nav33n 
Nope. That wasn't the point. The point was, .
But the bottomline is, if javascript is disabled, many options in the site holyculturedownload doesn't work.
FYI,
Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet. So, you find that javascript controls dont work on a site when javascript is turned off? Congratulations, perhaps you learned something?
Now look at the POINT of the example, and you will see that content previously loaded with Ajax still loads and the site can be browsed normally - the point there was that this is vital for search engines, not for users who KNOW they cannot disable javascript on such a site and expect to enjoy the rich features. Your "bottomline" is totally mindless. Perhaps you can code something close to its standard? I think not.
I know exactly what my first point was - that if javascript is turned off in a FORM for user input and it does not function, then that is not good (your form example). Try the form on holyculturedownload.com and tell me that it doesn't work, both with and without javascript - THAT is how forms should work.
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Clearly you have a bee in your bonnet. So, you find that javascript controls dont work on a site when javascript is turned off? Congratulations, perhaps you learned something?
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So, you find that javascript controls dont work on a site when javascript is turned off?
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the point there was that this is vital for search engines,
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not for users who KNOW they cannot disable javascript on such a site and expect to enjoy the rich features.
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I know exactly what my first point was - that if javascript is turned off in a FORM for user input and it does not function, then that is not good (your form example).
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Try the form on holyculturedownload.com and tell me that it doesn't work, both with and without javascript - THAT is how forms should work.
Cheers,
Naveen
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Originally Posted by nav33n
if the user has javascript turned off? Nothing happens, not good.
As for your bagging of holyculturedownload.com, I believe that is jealousy pure and simple
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There, by your own hand. Your "solution" was a very bad one.
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As for your bagging of holyculturedownload.com, I believe that is jealousy pure and simple
Wow man ! You have some "nice" imagination. Ignorance is definitely not bliss!
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Originally Posted by nav33n
Damn. This is so bad. You didn't get the feeling of sarcasm from that.
You spend so much time bagging a site because non essential javascript controls don't work when javascript is turned off in a user's browser (surprise, surprise!), yet cant see the reality of how bad it is to code an ESSENTIAL feature that is totally dependent on javascript..... the ONLY point you have proved is how BAD our solution is.
Yes, you are quite clearly jealous... that is even funnier
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Originally Posted by Suomedia
You are sarcastic about the reality of how bad your solution is? Now THAT is funny
Nope ! I was sarcastic about your first statement. •
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if the user has javascript turned off? Nothing happens, not good.
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You spend so much time bagging a site because non essential javascript controls don't work when javascript is turned off in a user's browser (surprise, surprise!),
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yet cant see the reality of how bad it is to code an ESSENTIAL feature that is totally dependent on javascript.....
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the ONLY point you have proved is how BAD our solution is.
Yeah, asking the user to have a hyperlink instead of what he asked for(ie., a button), is a VERY GOOD solution! •
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Yes, you are quite clearly jealous... that is even funnier
If a site can make someone jealous, then oh yeah, I am jealous of yahoo, msn, google, and oh, daniweb as well ! LMAO. Ignorance is definitely not bliss!
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Originally Posted by nav33n
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Originally Posted by nav33n
A user can't turn off javascript for a FORM (More surprise !!!).
SURPRISE!!!!!..... it doesn't. Yes, a user CAN turn off javascript for your form.•
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Originally Posted by nav33n
I thought the "LISTEN" button was an ESSENTIAL feature of that stupid site !
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Originally Posted by nav33n
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I don't know about you, but I definitely see two buttons
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Originally Posted by nav33n
Give me one good reason why I should jealous of one crappy site ?
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Originally Posted by Suomedia
Why be sarcastic about something that is quite clearly correct?
setting the action of a form when a button is clicked is correct as well. Just like how "some" features of a stupid site doesn't work when javascript is turned off, a form which uses javascript to assign the action, wouldn't work. •
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You try to make a point that non essential things like "listen" buttons not working are "bad", yet cant see how ridiculous it is to create a form that wont function without javascript. DUH!!!!!
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Oh really? Paste your own code into a file, open it in your browser with javascript turned off. Then tell me that it still works
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JavaScript must be enabled in order for you to use Gmail in standard view. However, it seems JavaScript is either disabled or not supported by your browser. To use standard view, enable JavaScript by changing your browser options, then try again.
To use Gmail's basic HTML view, which does not require JavaScript, click here.
If you want to view Gmail on a mobile phone or similar device click here.
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Yes, a user CAN turn off javascript for your form.
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You thought wrong (as you do about many things). I think you will find that you can still, browse the site, create an account, purchase music and any other essential thing with javascript turned off. The essential things all work just fine.
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That you like to call it "stupid" only indicates your own insecurity.
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You probably are. One good reason? Ok, you wouldn't have a clue how to make anything close to it.
Last edited by nav33n; Apr 2nd, 2008 at 1:10 pm.
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Originally Posted by nav33n
Quite clearly correct ?
Thats exactly my point. If you "Turn off" javascript, anything dependent on javascript will fail.
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Originally Posted by nav33n
Wow ! Is that so ? A user can turn off javascript ONLY for a form and not for the whole page ! Hmmm.. you know something that others dont ! *wink wink*
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Originally Posted by nav33n
Lol..But still some things wouldn't work. Oh, I noticed something.. Even Daniweb's smiley dropdown, undo, redo wouldn't work if I turn off javascript
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Originally Posted by nav33n
Wow! Insecurity ! You will steal my job !
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Originally Posted by nav33n
I just noticed its a site done by you/your company ! awww! you poor thing ! If my words hurt your feelings, I am sorry !
My feeling are not touched in the slightest by forum trolls. I think it is you who feels offended because I pointed out the idiocy of your form.
You forgot about the allegedly missing buttons... are they there or not? In fact, are not most login forms you will find on the web designed in a similar way? Does not my own example on holyculture function perfectly both with and without javascript?
You cannot win.
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