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I'm no scientist, but I do entertain opposing arguments -- much akin to the scientific method -- and try to consider the whole.
But the arguments have to be valid. Affirming the consequent is an invalid argument.
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Scientists are NOT going to make simple logical mistakes as MidiMagic suggested.
Social and environmental scientists usually can't perform experiments, because they will destroy the only sample they have if they try any experimentation. So they observe and record data, and make conjectures.
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Originally Posted by vegaseat 
If you do reseaarch on global warming, it will be very difficult to get funding, if you do not subscripe to the 'gorist' junk science view of things. As jwenting says, this view has been elevated to the status of a religion.
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Originally Posted by lasher511
I do not think that a scientist is going to publish a paper or do research against global warming because nobody would give them the funding to do so. Mainly because it would make the company funding them look bad. Where as there is alot more funding out there for research proving it because it makes the company giving the funding look like they care about the enviroment.
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Originally Posted by MidiMagic
All of the claims I presented as being global warming claims came from the Discovery Channel special as quotes by actual "experts".
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Originally Posted by MidiMagic
So have I. I used to work in labs.
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Originally Posted by joshSCH
What? I can't see all scientists posting data simply because their publishers and benefactors said to.. Theres no way that some scientist wouldn't publish truthful information.
It's not always a matter of publishing truthful information, it's a matter of making certain the truthful information is made widely known. I don't have the exact reference on hand at the moment (I'll try to grab a notebook and write it all down later today) but I remember a fairly interesting bit I read recently involving research done on the chemical substance we call DDT that faced that exact problem.
The basic gist was this:
1. Experiment done. Result: "Ooh, DDT Bad!"
2. Results published in well-known magazine.
3. Experimental error found. Experiment redone. Result: "We were wrong before."
4. Results taken to same well-known magazine.
5. Well-known magazine rejects new-experiment story because it isn't anti-DDT.
6. New-experiment results finally published in mostly-unknown magazine.
Yes, the truthful information was eventually published. But those who only read the well-known magazine, and not the little-known one, never heard about it. It goes back to my description of the gatekeepers of the community. It's far easier to keep popular opinion going the way you want if you emphasize the side you agree with and de-emphasize that you disagree with.
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Originally Posted by joshSCH
Besides, global warming has two sides. The Republicans would rather it not be happening, its in their best interest if businesses didn't have to spend a buttload of cash 'saving' the environment from global warming.. Theres always two sides.. and I would think the republicans would be trying desperately to get scientific evidence out there that global warming is not occurring.. especially since they're typically the wealthier party.
So how come the evidence of publication factors seems to indicate that most non-academic publishers (the ones who can sway public opinion; public opinion is one of the best weapons for and against research I can think of) will blanketly accept the 'Pro-warming' arguments and evidence, but blanketly reject the 'Anti-warming' arguments and evidence? Sure, there are two sides, but they're not being viewed equally nor given equal weight in presentation.
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Americans for Prosperity Crashes Al Gore's Speech
Note to mods about me reviving this old thread: I didn't want to create yet another one of these.
Note to mods about me reviving this old thread: I didn't want to create yet another one of these.
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Oh sweet Jesus, I had one too many beers. I read "Global Warning" and actually looked at this! I am sorry!
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Heh, heh, Ene - I was suckered too. But then again, you notice that this revival did not even add to the discussion; just some BS from out of the blue. Next, Dave will post the 3 typos in AG's book that prove it is all lies. Sigh! He's got nothing.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Move along, nothing to see here.
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That post was for fun. If you want me to add to the discussion, I'll submit this.
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Now this post is INTERESTING and thought-provoking - I knew you had it in you.
Give me a couple hours for research before I accept this guy's word on what he did for a living and what other researchers say on the same topic.
Give me a couple hours for research before I accept this guy's word on what he did for a living and what other researchers say on the same topic.
If only ignorance were painful....
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Originally Posted by Dave Sinkula
That post was for fun. If you want me to add to the discussion, I'll submit this.
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1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.
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2 There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None.
The blue bands show temperature changes modelled using only natural forcings, while the red bands include anthropogenic forcings as well. The black line shows observations. Clearly, we must include anthropogenic forcings if we want to match the observations. The 2nd picture is just pure joy to look at and though it supports my point I don't want add too much more 'science' to this post -- I could also 'nitpick' rest of his points but why bother, the pattern continues.
Last edited by GrimJack : Jul 21st, 2008 at 2:11 am. Reason: had to add a logical negative so the statement said what I meant
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