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I will not say anything "interesting" for you, nor go away at your command.
I'm simply observing and speaking my mind.
You two should meet in real world and resolve those issues once and for all. This way you are only bloating this thread and deviating form the subject.
I'm simply observing and speaking my mind.
You two should meet in real world and resolve those issues once and for all. This way you are only bloating this thread and deviating form the subject.
Last edited by Chaky; Sep 16th, 2008 at 4:00 am.
I say what I see. If you find my words offensive, then you find my reality offensive.
Honesty is the best policy on the world. As an added bonus, you don't have to keep tabs on what you say.
I have been honest and sincere as much as this medium allows me to show; even to the risk of exposing myself to the mockery of bigotry.
If you find fault in my writing is due to my ever present inherited handicap of my dominion of the English language. For that I ask to please, excuse me.
The intention of this thread was to bring awareness to you, that as I, value human life, and didn't know that these actions were taking place.
Also, some hope was placed on you that persuaded by current political trends have rationalized the matter. I thought, perhaps, you could be persuaded again to find or make a little room, to consider the gravity of the issue at hand, which is this:
Defenseless, innocent children, against all odd, survive the cruel procedure of abortion, to just been left to die, when we have the power to assist and perhaps help them to make it.
Yes, I used a video that could be used for partisan political purposes, but when else do we know more about what's going on there, that when there's a political campaign?
I do not endorse any political party, and any sympathetic ideology shared with any candidate I keep as a conversation with friends. Let me remind you that contrary to media coverage, there are more than two parties.
I wanted to be clear on that. You know for whom I will not vote ( I don't know if that was such good idea to divulge ), and you know what I think of lawmakers that endorse and uphold such practices; you have hear it from me, maybe even in a little more colorful way than was necessary.
There was not deceit at anytime on my part. It is not my style.
I have been honest and sincere as much as this medium allows me to show; even to the risk of exposing myself to the mockery of bigotry.
If you find fault in my writing is due to my ever present inherited handicap of my dominion of the English language. For that I ask to please, excuse me.
The intention of this thread was to bring awareness to you, that as I, value human life, and didn't know that these actions were taking place.
Also, some hope was placed on you that persuaded by current political trends have rationalized the matter. I thought, perhaps, you could be persuaded again to find or make a little room, to consider the gravity of the issue at hand, which is this:
Defenseless, innocent children, against all odd, survive the cruel procedure of abortion, to just been left to die, when we have the power to assist and perhaps help them to make it.
Yes, I used a video that could be used for partisan political purposes, but when else do we know more about what's going on there, that when there's a political campaign?
I do not endorse any political party, and any sympathetic ideology shared with any candidate I keep as a conversation with friends. Let me remind you that contrary to media coverage, there are more than two parties.
I wanted to be clear on that. You know for whom I will not vote ( I don't know if that was such good idea to divulge ), and you know what I think of lawmakers that endorse and uphold such practices; you have hear it from me, maybe even in a little more colorful way than was necessary.
There was not deceit at anytime on my part. It is not my style.
Last edited by Aia; Sep 16th, 2008 at 7:04 pm.
I think that it is obvious of what your point is, and you shouldn't apologize for what you say. It is only common sense and fundamental philosophy of what is right and what is wrong that justifies your opinion. Although, you could've used material that didn't include ever-present US election campaign. I, myself, don't give a rat's ass about Obama or whoever runs for a president. It is not my world.
Last edited by Chaky; Sep 16th, 2008 at 7:25 pm.
I say what I see. If you find my words offensive, then you find my reality offensive.
Wow, that's a curved ball!. You got me used to your “look at me how witty I am” one liners, but in truth, this is, possible, the smarter comment I have ever seen from you.
You realized that even when abortion is the root of the problem, it was not the topic of discussion in itself.
I can only guess, how many would clicked in the thread, read a few lines here and there, perhaps watch a few seconds of the video and go away concluding that this was nothing more that another anti-abortion rant by someone who doesn't like Obama. No matter the effort that I put in trying to expose that this is what sometimes happens after a failed abortion.
Labels are not my thing. Any movement, not matter how noble in its cause, has its own caveats; that you have to accept and compromise with. Having the tendency to stand by what I think, I am careful to avoid quick answers that would imply, guilty by association.
Pro-life and Pro-choice are some of those labels I don't care to carry associated to my thinking or actions.
If you mean prolife as like against abortion, I'll tell you what I believe.
Some have over-simplified humans as “animales racionales” (animals that reason), even when at times I doubt about the reason part, I believe it doesn't make justice to the human race.
Part of what makes us fundamentally different that our closest life form neighbors, is that we understand the value of human life, and we apply emotion to it.
You probably, have seen in Nature or Wild Life documentary were huge herbs of powerful wild bulls can be driven by just a few lioness. When a few of these beast together, could crash any predators that try to demise their kind. Instead, they run, leaving the weakest behind, and when the lioness are filled, life continues as nothing has happen. They are driven by instinct.
And it is by instinct that when a lion male obtains a pride, defeating another male, the first thing it does, its to kill the defenseless little cubs, so their mothers enters in heat and procreation would start.
It is moving, to see the tiny pads lifted in the air, the little cub trying to defend itself from a huge adult without much effort open its mouth to squish the little tummy until stops moving and expires.
Are we like them?
I would like to think not. We have invented the words “heroine and hero” to apply on those individuals that placed great value in human life, to the point of risking their own in hope of saving others. Take that value out of us, and we would truly be, not much different than these animals I mentioned.
How does this apply to abortion?
I believe even in an embryonic state that's a human being. Give him/her enough oxygen and some nutrition via mama-cord and they will have the same chance that we all have had.
I hope this explains my view better.
You realized that even when abortion is the root of the problem, it was not the topic of discussion in itself.
I can only guess, how many would clicked in the thread, read a few lines here and there, perhaps watch a few seconds of the video and go away concluding that this was nothing more that another anti-abortion rant by someone who doesn't like Obama. No matter the effort that I put in trying to expose that this is what sometimes happens after a failed abortion.
Labels are not my thing. Any movement, not matter how noble in its cause, has its own caveats; that you have to accept and compromise with. Having the tendency to stand by what I think, I am careful to avoid quick answers that would imply, guilty by association.
Pro-life and Pro-choice are some of those labels I don't care to carry associated to my thinking or actions.
If you mean prolife as like against abortion, I'll tell you what I believe.
Some have over-simplified humans as “animales racionales” (animals that reason), even when at times I doubt about the reason part, I believe it doesn't make justice to the human race.
Part of what makes us fundamentally different that our closest life form neighbors, is that we understand the value of human life, and we apply emotion to it.
You probably, have seen in Nature or Wild Life documentary were huge herbs of powerful wild bulls can be driven by just a few lioness. When a few of these beast together, could crash any predators that try to demise their kind. Instead, they run, leaving the weakest behind, and when the lioness are filled, life continues as nothing has happen. They are driven by instinct.
And it is by instinct that when a lion male obtains a pride, defeating another male, the first thing it does, its to kill the defenseless little cubs, so their mothers enters in heat and procreation would start.
It is moving, to see the tiny pads lifted in the air, the little cub trying to defend itself from a huge adult without much effort open its mouth to squish the little tummy until stops moving and expires.
Are we like them?
I would like to think not. We have invented the words “heroine and hero” to apply on those individuals that placed great value in human life, to the point of risking their own in hope of saving others. Take that value out of us, and we would truly be, not much different than these animals I mentioned.
How does this apply to abortion?
I believe even in an embryonic state that's a human being. Give him/her enough oxygen and some nutrition via mama-cord and they will have the same chance that we all have had.
I hope this explains my view better.
“Animales racionales”, (or, as I like to call it, human animals) are the ones that don't do justice to human race.
We are, nevertheless, part of the animal realm, but comparing humans with wildlife creatures isn't something I would agree with. In a wilderness there is no "right" and "wrong" philosophies. There is only "survival" or "demise".
"Lions killing weak pray" isn't just "lions killing weak pray". It is also "lions preventing diseases" and "lions feeding their cubs". And the fact that 2-ton beasts run away from much smaller and weaker predator only proves that there is benefit in death of the weak. They EVOLVED that way and it is in their nature to run away and thus filtering their kind of weak links.
However, it is NOT natural behavior to sacrifice one's lifetime for the benefit of some corporation and to go in that direction to such extent to think that it is "normal and expected" to put a career on the top of the value-list.
I see that as a major cause for abortions.
We are, nevertheless, part of the animal realm, but comparing humans with wildlife creatures isn't something I would agree with. In a wilderness there is no "right" and "wrong" philosophies. There is only "survival" or "demise".
"Lions killing weak pray" isn't just "lions killing weak pray". It is also "lions preventing diseases" and "lions feeding their cubs". And the fact that 2-ton beasts run away from much smaller and weaker predator only proves that there is benefit in death of the weak. They EVOLVED that way and it is in their nature to run away and thus filtering their kind of weak links.
However, it is NOT natural behavior to sacrifice one's lifetime for the benefit of some corporation and to go in that direction to such extent to think that it is "normal and expected" to put a career on the top of the value-list.
I see that as a major cause for abortions.
Last edited by Chaky; Sep 17th, 2008 at 8:46 pm.
I say what I see. If you find my words offensive, then you find my reality offensive.
You all state a problem, not a solution.
Have you ever heard the term "I wish I were never born", well some people mean it. I just heard a story today that a 14 yr old girl dumped her new born baby in a trash can in Scottsdale, AZ yesterday. Some lady on the TV states "I find this to be an eye opener that such young kids are sexually active". DUUUUUHHHH!
What needs to be done is birth control needs to be provided for free in public schools, no questions asked. Birth control should also be provided for free in clinics around the city. Right now in order to get it for free you have to provide proof of income. That 14 yr old girl didn't have to provide proof of income to throw her baby in the trash can.
People obviously are not going to pay or ask their parents permission to be responsible, it needs to be easy for them.
Have you ever heard the term "I wish I were never born", well some people mean it. I just heard a story today that a 14 yr old girl dumped her new born baby in a trash can in Scottsdale, AZ yesterday. Some lady on the TV states "I find this to be an eye opener that such young kids are sexually active". DUUUUUHHHH!
What needs to be done is birth control needs to be provided for free in public schools, no questions asked. Birth control should also be provided for free in clinics around the city. Right now in order to get it for free you have to provide proof of income. That 14 yr old girl didn't have to provide proof of income to throw her baby in the trash can.
People obviously are not going to pay or ask their parents permission to be responsible, it needs to be easy for them.
“Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.” - Dr. Seuss
-- The documentation is inevitable, you may get away with it for a little while but eventually you too will have to do the deed.
-- The documentation is inevitable, you may get away with it for a little while but eventually you too will have to do the deed.
Your solution is not such. Been tested in another country I know, and it doesn't live up to expectation. Still, irresponsible people find themselves making more irresponsible choices and abortion is a reality.
Don't laugh, but I really have the solution. Guarantee to work all the time. Do not have sex.
Now seriously, nothing beats parents getting involved in the life of young teens, a more of less proper guidance toward life and human values, and if the "unthinkable" happens, to know that adoption is always a better choice.
I am not against contraceptives, it is just not the "solution", because there's not solution to bad judgment and irresponsibility, wrong values, and society fast lane to instant gratification, specially, in the glamor of sexuality.
The easier it is made, the easier it is ignore. Free agency at play.
Don't laugh, but I really have the solution. Guarantee to work all the time. Do not have sex.
Now seriously, nothing beats parents getting involved in the life of young teens, a more of less proper guidance toward life and human values, and if the "unthinkable" happens, to know that adoption is always a better choice.
I am not against contraceptives, it is just not the "solution", because there's not solution to bad judgment and irresponsibility, wrong values, and society fast lane to instant gratification, specially, in the glamor of sexuality.
The easier it is made, the easier it is ignore. Free agency at play.
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