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Well, if so many people have suggested to use notepad, then atleast use notepad++. The software will enable you to see clear formatting with proper highlighting of various code sections. Its available for free download
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I got started with this class, which has been update many times since then:
http://www.mcli.dist.maricopa.edu/tut/
There's a zillion web links which can supplement it, so no need to pay anyone for classes.
We'ere always here to help if you get stuck or have questions.
I've always used HTML editors like this one:
http://www.chami.com/HTML-Kit/
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So much bad advice here. I would personally recommend getting a couple of good books before spalashing out on a corse that teaches you webdesign.

It is not as easy as some people seem to think and rather than add to the sea of crap already out there why not learn to create something truly oridginal and inspiring rather than just learning html and creating yet anouther Jesus loves you website.

the Zen of CSS design by Dave Shea dn Molly Holzschlag is a fantastic starting point. It is by far the best book on webdesign as a whole i have ever read. I still read over it again and again just because the princiables are there.

If your learning, Dreamweaver is most deffientaly not the product for you. You need to know what is going on in the code because dreamweaver will really mess your code up if using design view only you will really be banging your head against walls when you need to fix somthing.

There are plententy of IDE's out there and they all do pretty much the same job of managing your code. The one i personally use and recommend is Aptana.

I really hate dreamweaver, the people i know hate using it and the people i know who do use it use the code side only.

I will repeat this here kids, dragging and dropping is not web design. You give the pros a bad name, would you build a house? I would not, would not know where to start. I would not go down to B&Q, ask for a how to build a house book and start selling to the people stupid enough to buy my houses because they would come out as fugly squares of rubbish that would fall down in a years time. Or would i buy premade sides of houses and drag and drop them together because then all houses would look the same, still be crap only with a false face. I would also not go onto a builders forum or go up to a builder and start giving out bad advise. PLEASE STOP IT. I also note, most of you are Indian, yet anouther reason not to outsource any of your companys programming.
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Ah, but no mention of those of us who actually gave him valuable advice.

I sense a bit of British distaste towards the Indians. Just because there are tons of them immigrating to your country doesn't mean they're all bad at programming.
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Omol, it's bad form to say others are giving poor advice. None of us has a corner on good advice, possibly including you.
Beautiful sites can be created with Dreamweaver. Although I prefer it, there is also no need to know any code, either.
CSS design is great, and it's the way to go, but this guy wants to learn the basics, and that's what we're telling him.
Have you actually designed any sites (Just curious). Is spell check featured in your editor?
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Ah, but no mention of those of us who actually gave him valuable advice.

I sense a bit of British distaste towards the Indians. Just because there are tons of them immigrating to your country doesn't mean they're all bad at programming.
I'm not sure where you come up with all these nonsense omol did not mention anything about Indian community neither I can see from his profile that he is from UK. Therefore I will advice you stop it now.

As I mentioned before I do not deny that Dreamweaver is helpful tool, however this is the hands of professional and not beginner. Recommending somebody to get Dreamwaever at the start of his learning curve is not a good idea. I seen it with my friends in web design course, I see it at university with programming languages. Give a beginner a professional tool to work with and he will relay heavily on the tool. Questions such as "how do I make roll-over button in Dreamweaver" or "how do I read user input in NetBeans" are the usual silly questions of these that just starting and do not really care for learn the language or the syntax they just looking to cheat they way around the problem. When I first started with HTML I did all through Notepad because lack of technology to use (only Dreamweaver 4 out, but very expensive and I did not liked FrontPage) and I made same with Java and C# (either choosing IDE with no code suggestions or disabling such option). It really helped as I was fast on identifying errors and correcting them. And this is what I would recommend to others
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I'm not sure where you come up with all these nonsense omol did not mention anything about Indian community neither I can see from his profile that he is from UK. Therefore I will advice you stop it now.
This is certainly not the place I'd pick a fight, and I'm not. Stating an observation:

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I also note, most of you are Indian, yet anouther reason not to outsource any of your companys programming.
He said that on the subject of people giving bad advice. Therefore, he's saying that the Indians in this community are giving bad advice and that's why you shouldn't outsource. Clearly discrimination.

On the British subject, he did describe his houses as rubbish. I dunno about you, but I only know a few people that would use the word rubbish.
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My apology, I must over looked that part.
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I agree on starting out with simple Notepad++. Once you master the code, current standards etc... you can switch to software-aided coding.

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I agree on starting out with simple Notepad++. Once you master the code, current standards etc... you can switch to software-aided coding.

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Even then I'd say to do it all yourself. I think most people start to use WYSIWYG editors when they get into the business side of web design and have to meet deadlines. I'm way to picky about usability, standards, semantics, and SEO. I'm a bit of a neat freak, so nothing I release is sloppy.
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