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Please - one of the rules of this discussion/argument is no ad hominem attacks, the other was no name calling. Please edit your content to match the rules of the game.
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Originally Posted by Salem 
What makes you think your creation mythology is any better than say the Babylonian Creation Myth, except that you have the internet to spread your rumors around.
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Originally Posted by Salem
Personally, I prefer things based on EVIDENCE.
The observed facts are there for all to see, for the want of looking. The "theory" is the current attempt at explaining all the observed facts. If new facts emerge which challenge the "theory", then the "theory" will change. It may change a little, or it could be a radical rethink (like Newtonian Gravity to General Relativity, which in turn will be replaced by something else). But I'm damn sure that "god-did-it" will NOT be a part of any radical change.
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Originally Posted by Salem
And when scientists are arguing over the theory of evolution, it's down in the detail (like exactly what shade of red the apple is). They're not (like you mystics) in various camps saying "It's an apple, it's a banana, it's an elephant".
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Originally Posted by Salem
Do you accept mathematics because it's all provable (it isn't), or because there isn't some alternative loony going around saying 2+2=5 and a whole bunch of people following him because they think he's onto something.
Which is another point, are you a christian of convenience because it's a lot easier to follow all the other sheep in the neighbourhood, or would you be there right at the end with no one to listen to your "2+2=5 bleating" anymore?
If you want to go with whatever some illiterate goatherder from a couple of millenia ago came up with following an acid trip (caused by eating moldy bread say), and spending too much time in the sun listening to a singing bush, and because a whole bunch of others also think the same, then that's your problem and I'd thank you to keep it to yourself.
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Originally Posted by GrimJack
Let's start with the word 'theory' - explain to me what you mean when you say 'just a theory', that seems pretty dismissive so I am not sure how to argue with that sentiment. The reason I ask is because relativity is just a theory, gravity is just a theory.
I do not think you can offer as much proof for Christianity as I can for evolution but that is not the argument - the argument is about evolution, whether it is a science or belief.
We don't see this, we see several well defined species. Therefore the theory of Evolution remains just that, a theory, and the laws that define it do not explain everything that is going on. Evolution is an assumed axiom, and nothing more.
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Well, happy scary Halloween to everyone! I usually take my sister's kids to collect large amounts of candy in one of the filthy rich LA neighborhoods.
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To be honest I cannot tell you why I believe what I believe accept that certain events have happened in my life to sway me in that direction. I know that it is extremely far fetched but, until the required evidence is found, no more far fetched than Evolution
What I meant to say was an unproven assumed axiom. Why does the government consider this OK to be taught in school over any other religion, because it came from a scientific theory? How can this be a requirement in school when it has just as many holes as any other religion?
Let me ask you a question. Can you explain Evolution to someone without including the word "Believe"? I'll say not, because that is all that it is at this point is a belief.
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Originally Posted by R0bb0b
Evolution is an assumed axiom, and nothing more.
Let me ask you a question. Can you explain Evolution to someone without including the word "Believe"? I'll say not, because that is all that it is at this point is a belief.
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Scary things other than creationism:
Bloodshed - where the Red Cross keeps the plasma
Cemetary - bone zone.
Headline: "Due to strike, grave-digging at cemetary will be done by skeleton crews"
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Originally Posted by R0bb0b
To be honest I cannot tell you why I believe what I believe accept that certain events have happened in my life to sway me in that direction. I know that it is extremely far fetched but, until the required evidence is found, no more far fetched than Evolution
What I meant to say was an unproven assumed axiom. Why does the government consider this OK to be taught in school over any other religion, because it came from a scientific theory? How can this be a requirement in school when it has just as many holes as any other religion?
Let me ask you a question. Can you explain Evolution to someone without including the word "Believe"? I'll say not, because that is all that it is at this point is a belief.
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