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Originally Posted by sneekula 
You won, congratulations!
"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it" - Ronald Reagan stating how a liberal's mind works.
@steven woodman
>Why. how were you trained?
The same way than you, and there's not double hidden meaning in my words. Accepting the same material and text book and opinions, and dissertations, and scientific studies, as you have exposed in that "brief" example.
And then I had to untrained myself. Because, ultimately, no one has come with the answer. And primarily, because it is this binary thinking mode what's troubling the subject.
The absence of evidence is not proof in itself. I might add.
Still, it is not a wondering for me, that this topic will keep popping up continually until this Earth ceases to exist, or we'll kill each other in the process of imposing the wrongness of our ideas.
>Why. how were you trained?
The same way than you, and there's not double hidden meaning in my words. Accepting the same material and text book and opinions, and dissertations, and scientific studies, as you have exposed in that "brief" example.
And then I had to untrained myself. Because, ultimately, no one has come with the answer. And primarily, because it is this binary thinking mode what's troubling the subject.
The absence of evidence is not proof in itself. I might add.
Still, it is not a wondering for me, that this topic will keep popping up continually until this Earth ceases to exist, or we'll kill each other in the process of imposing the wrongness of our ideas.
"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it, and if it stops moving, subsidize it" - Ronald Reagan stating how a liberal's mind works.
some very important questions
a) why does there have to be a creator - why cant we just be?
b) who is to say god didnt create evolution?
a) why does there have to be a creator - why cant we just be?
b) who is to say god didnt create evolution?
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Originally Posted by Aia
The absence of evidence is not proof in itself.
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Originally Posted by grumpier
My case in support of evolution is much simpler. And it works whether the creationists are right or not.
1) If there is no creator, then things must have evolved somehow.
2) No intelligent creator will just build everything first go: there will be trial runs, false starts, starting over, etc. That is evolution!
No need to prove that people are descended from apes (although a lot of people provide strong evidence in support of this).
The only thing needed to disprove my theory is proof of the existence of a creator and then proof that creator does everything on the first go.
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Originally Posted by grumpier
If you read my post again, you will see that I did not claim my theory is proven. I noted the way to disprove my theory is to prove the existence of a creator, and then prove that creator does not require evolution. You are asserting that is the case, not offering proof. Offer proof of your assertion, and I will concede my theory is incorrect. Otherwise, I will maintain that it is not disproven.
If you prove the existence of such an unflawed creator, you will have disproved my theory and you will also have the option of finding and asking her.
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And it works whether the creationists are right or not.
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2) No intelligent creator will just build everything first go: there will be trial runs, false starts, starting over, etc.
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1) If there is no creator, then things must have evolved somehow.
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Originally Posted by steven woodman
No, I agree, it is not. But, the difference here, is that only one belief has an absence of evidence and that is creationism. there is tons of supporting evidence for evolution.
You can scream about it, you can sing about, you can pray about it and you can joke about it, and yet, at the end of the day, the answer is still the same. No one has an answer.
But I am sure you think you do.
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oh i do, i do.
This thread was started by grim to setup an intelligent debate on creationism vs evolution, so pick a side and go with it. if not you shouldnt be typing anything. No one has an absolute answer, that is true, but, the overwhelming evidence points towards evolution. An intelligent interpretation is what gives us all our theories.
In a debate such as this there needs to be no definite answer. If there was, then there would be no debate.
This thread was started by grim to setup an intelligent debate on creationism vs evolution, so pick a side and go with it. if not you shouldnt be typing anything. No one has an absolute answer, that is true, but, the overwhelming evidence points towards evolution. An intelligent interpretation is what gives us all our theories.
In a debate such as this there needs to be no definite answer. If there was, then there would be no debate.
An eye for an eye and the world would be blind.
>oh i do, i do.
I thought so.
>This thread was started by grim to setup an intelligent debate on creationism vs evolution, so pick a side and go with it. if not you shouldnt be typing anything.
Boy, what a perfect sample of what I started indicating you are. In absolutism your mind works. Impossible for you to see beyond is.
That's alright, you can have the last word ( those you are going to post after this ). I won't answer to your comments any more.
But mistaken you are in thinking as the ultimate authority on what should or should not be included in the conversation.
I thought so.
>This thread was started by grim to setup an intelligent debate on creationism vs evolution, so pick a side and go with it. if not you shouldnt be typing anything.
Boy, what a perfect sample of what I started indicating you are. In absolutism your mind works. Impossible for you to see beyond is.
That's alright, you can have the last word ( those you are going to post after this ). I won't answer to your comments any more.
But mistaken you are in thinking as the ultimate authority on what should or should not be included in the conversation.
Last edited by Aia; Oct 31st, 2008 at 2:05 pm.
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I will have the last word Aia and it will be this:
I am not upset and nor should you be. this is just a meaningless debate on an unprovable subject. I dont think i am the ultimate authority and that you can be sure of.
You think that you can judge me by some posts on a forum, well sir/ma,am i will do the same. You are shallow, and think you know so much about people because you are so beyond them.
all i was looking for from you was a single statement of your belief on this matter but, all ive seen is aimless arguing.
Not once did you have a relevant opinion. Just spiteful wishwash.
So the last word to you is a good one.It refers to what i have done with your posts. And that word is: FLOCCINAUCINIHILIPILIFICATION
I am not upset and nor should you be. this is just a meaningless debate on an unprovable subject. I dont think i am the ultimate authority and that you can be sure of.
You think that you can judge me by some posts on a forum, well sir/ma,am i will do the same. You are shallow, and think you know so much about people because you are so beyond them.
all i was looking for from you was a single statement of your belief on this matter but, all ive seen is aimless arguing.
Not once did you have a relevant opinion. Just spiteful wishwash.
So the last word to you is a good one.It refers to what i have done with your posts. And that word is: FLOCCINAUCINIHILIPILIFICATION
Last edited by steven woodman; Oct 31st, 2008 at 2:13 pm.
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Sorry for the multiple post guys but i just wanted to get this off my inbox. Aia just sent me a private message which is in quotes. When i tried to reply (under quotes) it wouldnt let me send because i was blocked or something. so this is how i will respond to him/her:
If you don't want your beliefs to be known, then why post on a belief based subject. That makes no sense.
You attack others beliefs but refuse to state your own??????
Thanks for the courtesy but i really don't need it.
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Originally Posted by Aia
I am not upset. Nothing you can said can upset me. I don't know you, you don't know me.
My believes are for me to know, and for you to wonder.
I don't judge you, you expose yourself with your words.
This is a courtesy e-mail. Nothing more.
You attack others beliefs but refuse to state your own??????
Thanks for the courtesy but i really don't need it.
An eye for an eye and the world would be blind.
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