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What about the creationist.. they describe the weakness of evo.. bio-molecules opposite on the evo scenario.. they are conflict..
sorry I just don't understand..
sorry I just don't understand..
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Originally Posted by cwarn23 
I think in science it is widely known that all cells are intelligent. From what I have learn't from a Biology course, each cell has programmed into it a set of instructions. For example, a human airborn virus is basically a bunch of cells programmed to infect other cells to enter the system. Example, if the virus first infects the blood cells like a lot of viruses do, it will get into your system quicker. That is when our immune system gets into place destroying nasty cells and some of its surrounding cells. While the immune system is at work, the virus attempts to effect parts of the body where it can then spread to other humans while doing whatever it was programmed. Some might say this is an effect of creationism where an agent created a virus but I believe it is more likely to be a effect of evolution where somebody sneases then the bacteria that sneasing creates then grows until it form new life or in the above example a virus.
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Originally Posted by GrimJack
I will accept that cells can follow certain programming using rDNA and RNA to build new proteins; with this I can see how as cells begin to 'network' and eventually build up to intelligence but that is probably for another time. The body is flushed with so many different messages and messengers - it is a magnificent machine. But I can't accept intelligent cells, this might be my age. I googled around a bit and did find some references but no evidence.
Debates on evolution that revolve around, whether you believe Darwin's theory of how we came about, or the literal acceptance of the first book of the Christian bible, generally lead nowhere, as participants usually have rigid beliefs, I thinkthis is the best routeto take, as the cell is the building block of life; your at the "coal face"in a manner of speak. You have good input there, and your right, the question of intelligence can come later. Children at play will form themselves into small groups, each group will then take, almost an existence of it own, with an overall mindset and drive to preserve itself, so will a street gang. In a sense, cells in an organism do much the same, there are cells for making bone, cells for making muscle, cells for repairing the body and, cells for fighting off 'outside invasion' - "warrior cells" if you like. Whether the body stays healthy or diseased, how antibiotics work, or not, and the formation MRSA, all depend in how the cells perform.
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We were fish then we grew legs as we came out of the water then we changed to dinosaurs then we changed to mammals then we changed to monkeys then we changed to people (watch the simpsons if you got lost)
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Originally Posted by GrimJack
Nope! that is not how evolution works. What you are describing is Lamarckian - a disproven theory that <sort of> says "if you cut the tales off of all the mice, eventually, the mice will breed only tailless mice"evolute means the locus of the center of curvature or the envelope of the normals of a curve". Evolution is the noun form of the verb 'evolve' " to produce by natural evolutionary processes"I know exactly what I am saying; I am not explaining anything away. I am beginning to think that you do not know what you are talking about.I am not sure what you are trying to say here - are you implying that individual cells are intelligent?WTF??? Where did this come from? how does it apply to the topic at hand? Are you implying that ventriloquist politicians do not lie?
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Originally Posted by Gerryx1
The joke about the politicians was meant to lighten you up man, you sound so angry. And the joke was in the implication that polliticians lie all the time, therefor is their lips move to speak you they ar telling lies - Got it?
I really do not need someone to 'lighten' me up; just because I question other people's beliefs does not mean I am angry; the anger you see is yours not mine.
What you consider a 'politician' joke is also told about lawyers, salesmen, etc. and really did not strike me as funny when I heard it 30 years ago (I admit I thought it was funny when I first heard it 50 years ago)
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Originally Posted by cwarn23
I think in science it is widely known that all cells are intelligent. From what I have learn't from a Biology course, each cell has programmed into it a set of instructions. For example, a human airborn virus is basically a bunch of cells programmed to infect other cells to enter the system. Example, if the virus first infects the blood cells like a lot of viruses do, it will get into your system quicker. That is when our immune system gets into place destroying nasty cells and some of its surrounding cells. While the immune system is at work, the virus attempts to effect parts of the body where it can then spread to other humans while doing whatever it was programmed. Some might say this is an effect of creationism where an agent created a virus but I believe it is more likely to be a effect of evolution where somebody sneases then the bacteria that sneasing creates then grows until it form new life or in the above example a virus.
Yea, that is on the right track. The body is composed of cells; these cells are organised in groups; there are cells that only make bone; cells for muscle, hair teeth etc. Then there are armies of cells that act as guardians of the entire body, and which attack any foreign body that infiltrates the system etc. They will faithfully continue to do this until something goes wrong, and their work is knocked out of sync. If throuhg some fault in the system, a virus or bacterial infection forms, the grouping of cells of which it consists will begin working like a seperate entity, and keep building and defending itself. When an antibacterial/viral agent enters the body, it may kill of the 'rogue' cell entity, but if the condition in the system,which caused the virus or bacterial entity persists, then the defense mechanism within these 'rouge' entities will gradually adapt to the new environment and will alter to overcome the effects of the antibacterial treatment, this is what happens in the case of MRSA, and when rats and other insects become immune to poisons. Cancerous growths are the result of cells going haywire ie. when bone growing cells start accumulating in ares of soft tisse for instance, or cells for forming teeth start 'rougue' communities or tumours in the liver etc. If these growths are malign, then they can be safely removed, but it malignant they will have roots which may be removable.
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Originally Posted by GrimJack
Did you get my reference about ventriloquists? Politicians who are ventriloquists do not move their lips therefore they do not lie - dude, I get jokes; I make jokes but I try to make appropriate jokes or relevant jokes.
I really do not need someone to 'lighten' me up; just because I question other people's beliefs does not mean I am angry; the anger you see is yours not mine.
What you consider a 'politician' joke is also told about lawyers, salesmen, etc. and really did not strike me as funny when I heard it 30 years ago (I admit I thought it was funny when I first heard it 50 years ago)
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Originally Posted by Norbert X
We were fish then we grew legs as we came out of the water then we changed to dinosaurs then we changed to mammals then we changed to monkeys then we changed to people (watch the simpsons if you got lost)
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Originally Posted by Norbert X
We were fish then we grew legs as we came out of the water then we changed to dinosaurs then we changed to mammals then we changed to monkeys then we changed to people (watch the simpsons if you got lost)
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Two characteristics of mammals that are at least sometimes preserved in the fossil record are (1) the mammalian middle ear contains a chain of three bones, the malleus, incus, and stapes; and (2) the lower jaw of mammals consists of a single bone called the dentary and is where the teeth are. In the therapsids, immediate ancestors of mammals that dominated terrestrial habitats during the Permian, the middle ears contained just one bone, the stapes, and the lower jaw was made up of several bones.
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First, the changes in the lower jaw are perhaps not surprising in a group under selection for increased efficiency of biting and chewing. The dentary bears the teeth. Sutures between bones are weak points; therefore, enlargement of the tooth-bearing bone, so that most of the forces resulting from chewing acts upon it alone, makes sense. Similarly, the growth of a coronoid process provided extra space for attaching muscle, especially muscle oriented to increase the strength of the bite at the point where upper and lower teeth meet and reduce the forces operating at the jaw joint itself (e.g., Carroll, 1988, p. 195; Crompton and Hylander, 1986).
Similarly, selection for improvements in hearing sensitivity might have resulted in less-firmly attached quadrate and articular, because this would have enabled them to vibrate more freely, transmitting sound energy from the angular and articular through the quadrate to the stapes.
Changes in the jaw and middle ear may have in a sense been driven by selection for endothermy. Generating the heat to maintain a high body temperature is very expensive; around 70% of the calories consumed by a cotton rat, for example, are used for this purpose (Randolph et al., 1977). This is a cost not paid by ectothermic animals, and assuming it places a premium on efficient use of resources. Endothermy may also be correlated with activity at night, i.e., under conditions when reliance on hearing, smell, and touch may have replaced reliance on sight.
But I digress.
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