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Originally Posted by jbennet 
What does that have to do with anything?
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The question in hand is not whether C++ is bad, but rather whether UNIX (in specific, linux as a development environment for c++ programming) is bad.
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> it also supports the idea of how c++ sucks.
Just because Linus thinks C++ sucks doesn't mean we feel the same way; he isn't god you know. Also, AFAICT, he is trying to say that:
- C++ is a difficult language, at least when compared with C
- There are more ways to abuse and more substandard programmers in C++ than in C
As an analogy, please don't hate your OS just because it allows you to format a partition with a single click; with great powers come great responsibility...
Just because Linus thinks C++ sucks doesn't mean we feel the same way; he isn't god you know. Also, AFAICT, he is trying to say that:
- C++ is a difficult language, at least when compared with C
- There are more ways to abuse and more substandard programmers in C++ than in C
As an analogy, please don't hate your OS just because it allows you to format a partition with a single click; with great powers come great responsibility...
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Originally Posted by serkan sendur
it also supports the idea of how c++ sucks.
> C++ has inspired the creation of those two other languages, I don't think this is because C++ s*cks
... Last edited by tux4life; Apr 24th, 2009 at 1:19 am.
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Originally Posted by tux4life
> C++ doesn't suck, in fact it has inspired the languages Java and C#, do these also s*ck then ?
> C++ has inspired the creation of those two other languages, I don't think this is because C++ s*cks
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those concepts were around before c++, have you heard of Cobol, or small talk?
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Originally Posted by jbennet
Please explain what you mean. And yet again, i thaught the topic was whether UNIX sucked, not whether C++ sucked...
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>how about this :
It's a well known and controversial rant that is often quoted out of context. Here's the context if you missed it: Linus thinks C++ is a bad language choice for Git (and similar low level projects). Git is a version control system that's written with similar design views as a file system.
Many of the abstractions from C++ don't make sense for such a project and would only serve to complicate it without buying anything substantial. Linus' logic is sound even if he comes off as a prick in voicing it.
He might have a similar opinion for any project in C++, but Linus isn't a C++ programmer. In much the same way physicists would ignore my rants about how the large hadron collider is poorly designed, C++ programmers should respond to Linus with a similar attitude of "the layman has an uninformed opinion, how quaint".
It's a well known and controversial rant that is often quoted out of context. Here's the context if you missed it: Linus thinks C++ is a bad language choice for Git (and similar low level projects). Git is a version control system that's written with similar design views as a file system.
Many of the abstractions from C++ don't make sense for such a project and would only serve to complicate it without buying anything substantial. Linus' logic is sound even if he comes off as a prick in voicing it.
He might have a similar opinion for any project in C++, but Linus isn't a C++ programmer. In much the same way physicists would ignore my rants about how the large hadron collider is poorly designed, C++ programmers should respond to Linus with a similar attitude of "the layman has an uninformed opinion, how quaint".
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