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Can the generation of "Random Numbers" be really left to chance ???
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Random numbers are so important that sometimes at some point we do feel "Are the random numbers really generated randomly?" and "Can such an important topic be really left to chance?".What do you guys feel is the answer to this?
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No. Care must be take in finding a quality "random" generator.
There was a case where a gambler found that the generator, of some video machine, was seeded by the current time, and the machines were turned on at the same time everyday. So he found the sequence and got a bunch of cash.
Another similar case I believe where the machines used a static string of numbers and so someone found the sequence, used it, and told others how to use it.
There was a case where a gambler found that the generator, of some video machine, was seeded by the current time, and the machines were turned on at the same time everyday. So he found the sequence and got a bunch of cash.
Another similar case I believe where the machines used a static string of numbers and so someone found the sequence, used it, and told others how to use it.
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So that leaves us no more ahead than NULL !!! We haven't generated truely random numbers .... !!! 
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Well , I believe that , Random Numbers arent really random at all, Even if you ask a human to tell a sequence of random numbers they are again dependant on the mentality of a human being i mean his likes or dislikes , Date of Importance to him, What number he feels is lucky and so on.
So How can we say that a random number is actually random. When we have many different constraints added to it.
For Example In the Game Bingo - each time a number is removed from the total set. The Probability of the other numbers increases.
So The Definition of a Number being random might be un-defined.
So Randomness again comes back into being constrained by many boundaries , So I think that Randomness is kind of Impossible to Achieve.
So How can we say that a random number is actually random. When we have many different constraints added to it.
For Example In the Game Bingo - each time a number is removed from the total set. The Probability of the other numbers increases.
So The Definition of a Number being random might be un-defined.
So Randomness again comes back into being constrained by many boundaries , So I think that Randomness is kind of Impossible to Achieve.
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there's no such thing as a truly random number. all random number generators are pseudo-random.
the difference is that some generators are better than others, in that their sequences are harder to predict than others, given current computing technology.
in other words, we have number generators that are, for all intents and purposes, "practically" random.
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the difference is that some generators are better than others, in that their sequences are harder to predict than others, given current computing technology.
in other words, we have number generators that are, for all intents and purposes, "practically" random.
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eh, scru, what?
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Oh yes, the well ordered world of random numbers. The casinos couldn't live without.
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Lotteries are based on RANDOM NUMBERS and it amazes me what it comes up with!
People say the the lottery IS RIGGED so you cant win,but im telling you,IT ISNT
I created a program on my commodore64 years ago,a LOTTO program.. It randomizes and picks up to 10 numbers from 1 to 80 and you have you enter which #'s you want....... It amazes me how many times i see consecutive numbers come up!! (61,62,63,64,65,66 came up one time)
I DIDNT RIG ANYTHING!!!!!
You wouldnt ever choose a string like that (And if you did,they probably wouldnt come up
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The mystery of randomization!
People say the the lottery IS RIGGED so you cant win,but im telling you,IT ISNT
I created a program on my commodore64 years ago,a LOTTO program.. It randomizes and picks up to 10 numbers from 1 to 80 and you have you enter which #'s you want....... It amazes me how many times i see consecutive numbers come up!! (61,62,63,64,65,66 came up one time)
I DIDNT RIG ANYTHING!!!!!
You wouldnt ever choose a string like that (And if you did,they probably wouldnt come up
)The mystery of randomization!
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your Commodore64 probably didnt have a very strong randomize function.
i also assume you were about 10 years old, or so. sorry if i don't spend much time analyzing your memories of code you wrote in the early 1980's.
i also assume you were about 10 years old, or so. sorry if i don't spend much time analyzing your memories of code you wrote in the early 1980's.
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Originally Posted by The Dude 
It amazes me how many times i see consecutive numbers come up!! (61,62,63,64,65,66 came up one time)
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