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| Students saying no to computer science I thought this was an interesting article. It discusses the decline in computer science enrollments. Also, be sure to check out the discussion that follows the article over at builder.com. Quote:
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| Re: Students saying no to computer science It would be interesting to see the enrollment figures worldwide. I'll bet that India is still on the rise in computer science. I still remember the USA proclaiming in the early 80's that we need not support manufacturing because we were moving to service industries and information industries. I'd guess we were wrong. Service == low paying jobs easily satisfied with unskilled labor and information is elusive, as it requires no specific infrastructure or natural resources. There are brilliant men and women all over this planet, and the USA has no corner on brains. The other statistic to investigate is how many folks are doing IT training, such as in the business department of the university. Maybe that's on the rise? Seems like companies have a large need for IT departments and a tiny need for CS Phd's. |
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| Re: Students saying no to computer science Its interesting that the computer industry is growing ... n the computer science jobs are shrinking .... In our country Pakistan ... the computer science enrollments have dried up too .... except a few highly reputed institutions .... Yes you're right chainsaw ... India's still growing ... |
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| Re: Students saying no to computer science u r right Chainsaw , the no of computer science enrollment is growing in India,not only in universities but also in private institutions. |
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| Re: Students saying no to computer science HO mama!!! How bout China? What's happening there? |
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| Re: Students saying no to computer science alright techie human spawn out there.. there are some interesting things to note in regard to this. First off just because there arent as many 'papered' students weilding two and 4 year degrees, this doesn't mean that the 'technical leadership' is going to be absent years from now. Folks are disturbed far too often by far too little. now the redux in papered leadership I'm certain will occur, more than likely not to the detriment of the industry. i think the reason the decline has occured is the mentality of the worker bee... a worker bee most first work. with work comes experience. for those of us lucky eneough to put in 12 or 17 hour days you get pay raises earlier in our careers than our papered bretheren. while their in school we climb the ladder. if youre good and you build your rep early eneough well noone is going to catch you.. ..its a big chance for most of us though... you are either a dominant and unforgiving individual that looks at everyone and everything as a stepping stone and gets paid on a miracle by miracle basis or youre a slug that makes far too little by industry standards and you really should go home because you cause more technical problems than youre worth. Companies pay less often times for papered contractors and interns than they do for those with 3 or 4 years experience.. in under 4 years in the field you can make well over 100k with juicy fully paid benifits -only if youre good. for those of us lucky eneough to be recognized as the heartless SOB that can extract a pristine shiny miracle when its needed most.. heh heh well. they pay even more. sorry you got your degree. im established and youre too late. enjoy paying your colledge debts off. by the time you think im obsolete ill have new skills. i can adapt faster and i dont fight fair. think twice before i get the axe.. youll have to buy me out. lol if youre lucky youll get the 'new' passwords before i go. Muhaha. The industry will always be starving for something that can do more than manage. and will always operate at 80/20. For the rest of you that 'care' you're jobs are in mexico and india, you have been outsourced and were obsolete before you were even through your freshman year. wow.. that was a doozie.. i gotta drink less coffee.. and get after the diazapam more often.. lol |
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| Re: Students saying no to computer science Some dream Cain, huh! LOL But remember the main point in that article, U need to innovate new things to dominate and that is possible if u have good number of researchers (phD holders) working. I dont see mere working experience(without academic studies) making one a great researcher. It helps to work efficiently and but wont take anyone much further. |
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| Re: Students saying no to computer science I believe that you are both correct. However, the real problem stems from ability. Without ability, you can never accomplish anything. It is far easier for someone with the ability to get the "paper" than it is for someone with a "paper" to magically get the ability. :eek: Besides, once the world destroys itself, it won't matter anyway. |
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involved, true) I've probably had thousands of research hours to go along with practical application. Domination through brute force works best. Im not saying you gotta split skulls but a little fear goes a long way and is certainly a great motivator in a pinch. I've seen grown men cry and get a lilt in thier voice when they know theyre wrong or incapable. I've also witnessed the most certified of fellows break stuff and run off to hide in bathrooms rather than admit thier incapable and require assistance. (in a live support environment, at peak) a strong minded individual papered or not will do far better in a stressful environment than one that isnt. so character has alot to do with an individuals capabilities in the end. as far as the loot goes.. ..it isnt a dream. I came up with these figures to keep me goal oriented for wages years ago: making good monies. 3xage=wages. minimum. no exeptions. up it in .5 margins after you break it. e.g. 3.5.. 4.0.. 4.5.. always keep it just out of reach. far too many folks sell themselves waaay short. Its thier own fault. making good raises: 4.5% over inflation and cost of living (usually 3%) so 7.5% yearly preferably more. God complex.. No, not at all. What I have is far worse. |
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| Re: Students saying no to computer science My own experience is that I got into the market while others were perhaps getting degrees, and after 25 years, I am going back to school to get some math and theoretical background that I find interesting. When I didn't have a degree of any sort, I was very dismissive of computer science degrees. I imagine that cain's experience and mindset works well for him, but I suggest that those contemplating a degree will not really be four years behind the market when they graduate. A good rigorous program can provide skills and theoretical grounding that one may or may not get with years of experience. So, that 4 year head-start that I got was nice at the time, but after 25 years, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. I am not asserting that a good theoretical grounding is a pre-requisite for success, but I suggest that it can be helpful, and it is hard to imagine how it would hurt. It is certainly something that I am interested in. |
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