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>Please define your statement for me, so that I can merit it.
They mean the same thing. Occasionally I change my mind how I want to formulate my post.
>Please do not correct me without a probable reason.
How about this, I currently run a 64 bit operating system on 2 gigabytes of RAM, no extra configuration or "enabling in the processor" necessary.
They mean the same thing. Occasionally I change my mind how I want to formulate my post.
>Please do not correct me without a probable reason.
How about this, I currently run a 64 bit operating system on 2 gigabytes of RAM, no extra configuration or "enabling in the processor" necessary.
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Originally Posted by DJ-KhaosTheory 
(final)
OK Smart-alick, I made 1 typo.
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If you would like to waste your money, or your employer's more power to you.
Ohhh, an expensive rack? That makes you PRO!
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1. FTP and HTTP ARE services, you have an MCSE, you should know this.
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2. NO a 64bit system CANNOT run 2gb of ram UNLESS it is enabled in the processor,(he said NEWBIE server, so use NEWBIE advice)
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3. Scsi is your HIGH data flow, like databases, note the 10k or 15k speed. Sata is a serial connection. 7.2k
go on wikipedia, and read about the real difference in speed between SCSI, SATA, IDE and SAS.
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5. GIGABIT is expandable, 10/100 is NOT, he also said NETWORK SERVER! (Expandability)
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6. Raid is for BACKUP and DATA redudancy, so you do what you want if you want your data lost.
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6A. A name brand server HAS a raid controller in it, if not Adaptec.
and those controllers EVERYWHERE are optional.
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7. LOAD BALANCING, for those IT people who like there server to be accessible! (expandability)
I suppose what you mean here, and have no idea how to say or implement the idea is NIC Teaming.
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8. Because, its not a GUI and he doesnt know the syntax, and maybe he doesn't want to learn it.
also, there are quite a few good routers out there, which do have a GUI. even the very high end ones, like CheckPoint NG.
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9. Because HP has a LIFETIME warrenty on there 24's and Cisco switches are not need unless you VLAN
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10. A cerfication is a peice of paper, it means what it took to get it...nothing, I must-likely know more than you already, at least I don't act like a HOT shot and correcting people's posts.
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Finally.
If you had payed attention to what he said, he was helping out his buddy's dad, do you think he has a million dollar budget? I can't just don't understand some people, and your one of them. We are trying to help someone, not bicker over who has more than the other. if you gonna be a pesimest, go find somewhere else to do it. THIS IS A COMMUNITY NOT A DEBATE! You need some training for your many degrees in COLLABERATION. Try a psychology major.
everything I've said can be easily found on the internet, to verify.
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windows server 2008 system requirements: x64 and x32 are the same:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...m_requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...uirements.aspx
back to school, eh?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows...m_requirements
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserv...uirements.aspx
back to school, eh?
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Originally Posted by John A
>Please define your statement for me, so that I can merit it.
They mean the same thing. Occasionally I change my mind how I want to formulate my post.
>Please do not correct me without a probable reason.
How about this, I currently run a 64 bit operating system on 2 gigabytes of RAM, no extra configuration or "enabling in the processor" necessary.
I stand corrected on the 64-bit issue. I apologize for my in-coheriance.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
no, you have been talking about things you obviously do not understand.
(Again, unless you say what is wrong, your a kid with a stick poking a turtle.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
no, 15 years in IT make me a pro. and the fact that I do deal with high end systems, shows I'm pro enough to be trusted to touch million dollar systems.
(You ignored what I said. He must likely does NOT have a million dollar budget. Good for you, but for simple buissness with a simple budget, simple equipment is needed. I apologize for the retaliation)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
exactly. and you were talking about applications.
(Apache Server is an application, I am assuming he wants the eaisest and cheapest solution)
64bit systems can run on any valid amount of memory. I have set up RHEL5.1 x64 on 512Mb blade server yesterday, and it works fine
(Read last post, I stand corrected)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
right. so you never heard of what RPM means? because the figures you have pointed out are RPM. and there are SATA disks out there that work at 10 and 15kRPM.
(Rotation Per Minute, Faster RPM higher access rate; the faster the header can read the plater. In the consumer market, and I have never heard of a 15k sata drive. (10k = Raptor by Western Digital, I know I have one, they need exteme cooling, and that is why I neglected to mention it.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
go on wikipedia, and read about the real difference in speed between SCSI, SATA, IDE and SAS.
(Parallel vs Serial Connections, Shared Ground vs Mono-pathing, SAS I have never researched, but I will get right on that.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
didn't see the word anywhere in the o/p.
(I said that I was wrong about server 2005, but Microsoft usually releases there products on the same year. [Example Visual Studio 2005, 2008, .Net, etc)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
neither. raid is for spindle spreading and disk redundancy.
(This statement is partially correct. Disks store data, disks need to be redundant. Stripes spread data. Mirrors of Stripes are RAID, therefore you can Mirror a Raided stripe.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
no. HP have HP raid controllers, Dell has PERC and CERC controllers (based on LSI, not Adaptec) and IBM has it's own, depending on the model.
and those controllers EVERYWHERE are optional.
(It was an example, not a list of raid controllers.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
to keep servers accessible, you need QoS or HA clustering.
I suppose what you mean here, and have no idea how to say or implement the idea is NIC Teaming.
(Yes, as in multi-pathed networks, the server or router can do this. The vocab is what you learn in your certification, however it is very difficult, I understand.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
have you asked? maybe he does. and the other option was to have it set up once and left alone.
also, there are quite a few good routers out there, which do have a GUI. even the very high end ones, like CheckPoint NG.
(I reconize Cisco as the best, because of my CCNA training, and because most of them are trusted with the integrety of the internet. I am not aware of there competitiors, but you are. Please give him more options on the subject if you would like to.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
so HP can't do VLANs? now you're just being funny.
(I am not being funny, but I do not know how to configure a HP VLAN, nor do I know how to get it to work with a Cisco portocool, if even need a seperate one.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
we are here to help people out, not mislead them. that's why I corrected your post.
(I do not feel I was misleading them, and greater definition can be achieved without a personal attack. I do believe you where using the wrong tact to approach the subject of my flawed logic.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
don't tell me what to do, and I won't tell you where to go, OK?
(I again was comment on your tact of the subject that you took. Don't tell me to go to school, which you just did, and do not act like you know everything, because no one does. All my information is an opinion untill proven fact. Prove it wrong or right with a citation, or counter-citation.)
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
everything I've said can be easily found on the internet, to verify.
The reason I am acting as I am is, because you are using direct attack, psychology. Collaberation, is correcting someone without directly causing conflict. Please try to use less offensive statements, and I will return the favor. An example of this is "back to school, eh?"
or "sorry mate, sounds like you need to finish those studies first," I do not feel that is a fair statement, since I own most of my servers, routers, and computer, and I actively test what I learn. I am misinterprited something please do tell me, but tact is everything.
I do believe I am right in this case, but your opinion matters to me. So
"You clearly have no idea what you're talking about."
doesn't mean anything. Provide a counter-example and I will check my sources, and agree or disagree.
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Originally Posted by John A
>Please define your statement for me, so that I can merit it.
They mean the same thing. Occasionally I change my mind how I want to formulate my post.
I apologize if you veiwed that as an attack, it was not meant to be. I was showing that you made credit to change your logic, and display that to everyone. (Please change my post if you have an issue with it, I will not protest this.)
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Originally Posted by DJ-KhaosTheory
(Again, unless you say what is wrong, your a kid with a stick poking a turtle.)
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(You ignored what I said. He must likely does NOT have a million dollar budget. Good for you, but for simple buissness with a simple budget, simple equipment is needed. I apologize for the retaliation)
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64bit systems can run on any valid amount of memory. I have set up RHEL5.1 x64 on 512Mb blade server yesterday, and it works fine
(Read last post, I stand corrected)
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(Rotation Per Minute, Faster RPM higher access rate; the faster the header can read the plater. In the consumer market, and I have never heard of a 15k sata drive. (10k = Raptor by Western Digital, I know I have one, they need exteme cooling, and that is why I neglected to mention it.)
but since SATA is serially attached, it is actually faster than SCSI, because SCSI is parallelly connected to a controller (up to 16 or even 32 driver per chain)
that's why nobody uses SCSI since around 2005-6, ever since SAS came out and became the official industry standard. SAS stands for Serial Attached SCSI.
and that is why I was surprised anyone would mention SCSI in 2008 for a new server.
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(Parallel vs Serial Connections, Shared Ground vs Mono-pathing, SAS I have never researched, but I will get right on that.)
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(I said that I was wrong about server 2005, but Microsoft usually releases there products on the same year. [Example Visual Studio 2005, 2008, .Net, etc)
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(This statement is partially correct. Disks store data, disks need to be redundant. Stripes spread data. Mirrors of Stripes are RAID, therefore you can Mirror a Raided stripe.)
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(It was an example, not a list of raid controllers.)
btw, for a custom made server, the best hardware raid to use would be 3ware or LSI, definitely not adaptec
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(Yes, as in multi-pathed networks, the server or router can do this. The vocab is what you learn in your certification, however it is very difficult, I understand.)
because QoS, HA, LB and Teaming are all different things.
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(I reconize Cisco as the best, because of my CCNA training, and because most of them are trusted with the integrety of the internet. I am not aware of there competitiors, but you are. Please give him more options on the subject if you would like to.)
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(I am not being funny, but I do not know how to configure a HP VLAN, nor do I know how to get it to work with a Cisco portocool, if even need a seperate one.)
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(I do not feel I was misleading them, and greater definition can be achieved without a personal attack. I do believe you where using the wrong tact to approach the subject of my flawed logic.)
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(I again was comment on your tact of the subject that you took. Don't tell me to go to school, which you just did, and do not act like you know everything, because no one does. All my information is an opinion untill proven fact. Prove it wrong or right with a citation, or counter-citation.)
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(Not everyone who reads this post wants to research it. That is why we are helping them out)
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The reason I am acting as I am is, because you are using direct attack, psychology.
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Collaberation, is correcting someone without directly causing conflict. Please try to use less offensive statements, and I will return the favor. An example of this is "back to school, eh?"
or "sorry mate, sounds like you need to finish those studies first," I do not feel that is a fair statement, since I own most of my servers, routers, and computer, and I actively test what I learn. I am misinterprited something please do tell me, but tact is everything.
if you finish your studies, or at least read up on the subjects, you wouldn't give erroneous advice. that is why I insist you at least really learn the subject, before commenting and causing damage by erroneous recommendations.
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Wow... that was...
Anyhow... your choice of server really depends on what you're planning on doing. As jbennet just suggested, secondhand equipment can do the trick really very well, and costs a fraction of new. I'm running a couple of secondhand IBM NetFinity servers right now, one as a CVS server, one as a LAMP server. They do the job very well, and were very inexpensive. They include a bunch of the "fancy" features, such as RAID, tape backup, redundant power supplies, etc. as well. And parts for them (in case of failure) can be had fairly readily and at fairly low cost.
Really, the first thing you've got to determine is load. How many users, and how intensive the use? How much storage is needed (my servers are a little lean on hard drive space, but I don't really need that much)? If you've bought a computer before, choose a server is not that tough.
Anyhow... your choice of server really depends on what you're planning on doing. As jbennet just suggested, secondhand equipment can do the trick really very well, and costs a fraction of new. I'm running a couple of secondhand IBM NetFinity servers right now, one as a CVS server, one as a LAMP server. They do the job very well, and were very inexpensive. They include a bunch of the "fancy" features, such as RAID, tape backup, redundant power supplies, etc. as well. And parts for them (in case of failure) can be had fairly readily and at fairly low cost.
Really, the first thing you've got to determine is load. How many users, and how intensive the use? How much storage is needed (my servers are a little lean on hard drive space, but I don't really need that much)? If you've bought a computer before, choose a server is not that tough.
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i got a compaq proliant with quad (pentium 3 era) xeons and 2gb ram to be my home/development/training server. That server and a load of hotswap drives etc.... cost me on ebay under £350, and came with valid nt4 server disk and licences
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