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Originally Posted by DimaYasny 
you have received an entire list of things you were wrong about.
yes, that is right. that is why in all the posts before yours, nobody gave full recommendations, asking for requirement details instead.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
SCSI drives have better data throughput because they use the SCSI protocol, while SATA and IDE use the ATAPI protocol.
but since SATA is serially attached, it is actually faster than SCSI, because SCSI is parallelly connected to a controller (up to 16 or even 32 driver per chain)
that's why nobody uses SCSI since around 2005-6, ever since SAS came out and became the official industry standard. SAS stands for Serial Attached SCSI.
and that is why I was surprised anyone would mention SCSI in 2008 for a new server.
wikipedia has some good articles
(Serial vs Paralell)
I know what SAS is, and he may not buy a new server. He may not have that kind of money.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
so?
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
what does that have to do with backup? and anyhow, using raid 10/50/60 etc makes you lose a huge amount of drives. if this is a simple system, a raid1 for the OS and a raid5 for data should be enough. if possible - raid6 and a global hotspare, but that's wasting drives, if the system is low end. also creating raid arrays on low end raid controllers is extremely risky. a simple raid controller has no battery backup, and in case of a punctured array will simply lose all data.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
well, give real examples, not names of companies off the top of your head.
btw, for a custom made server, the best hardware raid to use would be 3ware or LSI, definitely not adaptec
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
I understand you have heard a couple of general terms and you like to throw them around to look impressive. but do provide real answers, or keep it to yourself.
because QoS, HA, LB and Teaming are all different things.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
as my early posts in this thread suggested - not enough information on what to suggest.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
well, if you don't know something, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, right? almost every vendor had L3 switches to sell. and all of them are capable of VLANs
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
well, overconfidence from people who are clearly wrong does tick me off. because after they have given their valuable advice, usually it's guys like me who really know what we are doing, who have to go in and clean up the mess, set everything up right, and get it to work.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
haven't I proven you wrong on enough pointers here?
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
right. we are HELPING here. one of the keys to good troubleshooting (and this comes from the official ATS course) is never to recommend anything before you know the background, and never to jump to conclusions. you made both mistakes.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
I am not attacking you, only what you wrote here. I really couldn't care less for who you are, and how great a guy you might be.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
if you give advice out without knowing what you are talking about, you are causing damage. since we are trying to help people, part of the help is to prevent damage.
if you finish your studies, or at least read up on the subjects, you wouldn't give erroneous advice. that is why I insist you at least really learn the subject, before commenting and causing damage by erroneous recommendations.
I know the field, and I know how to give advice. If I am wrong, then I am wrong. Someone will correct me, with some collaberation, not telling me I am wrong. Again dude, just state your opinion on the question, and move on. We don't need this tedious arguement anymore.
If anyone would like to arbitrate, or mediate this, please do so. I am tired of this conflict.
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Originally Posted by jbennet
i got a compaq proliant with quad (pentium 3 era) xeons and 2gb ram to be my home/development/training server. That server and a load of hotswap drives etc.... cost me on ebay under £350, and came with valid nt4 server disk and licences
Is that a 6500 series? If it is, that was a great starter server for me. Also the parts are widely available. Compaq was a pretty good company.
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something like that yeah. My "starter" server was an old 1600 (dual pentium 2) which ran NT as well
TRY MY SUGGESTIONS AT YOUR OWN RISK!
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again, just words, no proof.
I will stop tossing pearls now, DJ- has shown himself incompetent enough.
I will stop tossing pearls now, DJ- has shown himself incompetent enough.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
again, just words, no proof.
I will stop tossing pearls now, DJ- has shown himself incompetent enough.
You believe I am incompetent, yet only one person has corrected me, and I admitted he was right after he explained his logic. Yet do not. Attacking my integrety will not slove anything, but a personal vendetta to make yourself feel better about, yourself.
We are in conflict.
Ways to Slove conflict:
Avoiding the problem.
Collaberation
Mediation
Arbitration
So far, you have not made an attempt at any of those.
I am at mediation, so think about that before you try to disprove someone. They have feelings, and publically telling them there wrong, is an act of you thinking your better, tahn someone else. You pull them aside, and corret them pritivally. A change can be made, and everyone is happy. Thats collaberation. If that doesn't work, you go to mediation, and have someone else try to settle the arguement by negotiating. Finally, if you even get here Arbitration is when somone just desides for both parties.
Are you ready to collaberate, because I have been trying this whole time.
Just admit, we both got out of hand, and we both need to stop this madness. Admit it, as I am, and lets move on.
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Originally Posted by jbennet
something like that yeah. My "starter" server was an old 1600 (dual pentium 2) which ran NT as well
Is that a tower or a rackmount, because if it is a tower, I think I know which one it is.
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no, what you did was give bad advice and insult me directly in private messages, after I corrected the advice.
forums are there for opinions to be shared publicly, a that is exactly what I have been doing.
there is no madness here, but your own, and that's not really madness, just childish stubbornness, not wanting to admit you were wrong.
well, get over it, think before you give advice, and if you are wrong simply admit it, and let this be a lesson for you for the future.
forums are there for opinions to be shared publicly, a that is exactly what I have been doing.
there is no madness here, but your own, and that's not really madness, just childish stubbornness, not wanting to admit you were wrong.
well, get over it, think before you give advice, and if you are wrong simply admit it, and let this be a lesson for you for the future.
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Originally Posted by DimaYasny
no, what you did was give bad advice and insult me directly in private messages, after I corrected the advice.
forums are there for opinions to be shared publicly, a that is exactly what I have been doing.
there is no madness here, but your own, and that's not really madness, just childish stubbornness, not wanting to admit you were wrong.
well, get over it, think before you give advice, and if you are wrong simply admit it, and let this be a lesson for you for the future.
After I tried to end this. All your doing is picking out details, removing yourself from them and targeting me.
Ok, who is really being stubburn here. You just slapped my hand for trying to compromise, well that just proves you need to seriously rethink your own problems, and quit using this fourm as an outlet.
I did admit I was wrong, where I was wrong.
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I did admit I was wrong, where I was wrong.
that's simply grand, I'm happy for you
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Originally Posted by DJ-KhaosTheory
You believe I am incompetent, yet only one person has corrected me, and I admitted he was right after he explained his logic. Yet do not. Attacking my integrety will not slove anything, but a personal vendetta to make yourself feel better about, yourself.
We are in conflict.
Ways to Slove conflict:
Avoiding the problem.
Collaberation
Mediation
Arbitration
So far, you have not made an attempt at any of those.
I am at mediation, so think about that before you try to disprove someone. They have feelings, and publically telling them there wrong, is an act of you thinking your better, tahn someone else. You pull them aside, and corret them pritivally. A change can be made, and everyone is happy. Thats collaberation. If that doesn't work, you go to mediation, and have someone else try to settle the arguement by negotiating. Finally, if you even get here Arbitration is when somone just desides for both parties.
Are you ready to collaberate, because I have been trying this whole time.
Just admit, we both got out of hand, and we both need to stop this madness. Admit it, as I am, and lets move on.
Okay, first off, I think you really need to take a chill pill. There's a big difference between picking apart someone's post to attack factual information that they provide (the rules here permit this), and going out of one's way to insult someone on a forum (this is against the rules).
I've seen both a lot throughout the past, and I can assure you that this is mainly the case of the former. Now, I'm not saying that the information you provided was correct, nor am I saying that it's incorrect. I'm not a hardware person, so I'm not qualified to comment on most of the information provided by either party. On the other hand, I'm more inclined to believe what DimaYasny has said, due to the fact that you've stopped refuting the information he's given you, and resorted to whining about how he's being mean and attacking you. Not to mention that your credibility has already been damaged with your claim about 64 bit computing and its respective memory.
When this first began, it was simply a challenge of factual information, which I was fine with. However, it seems like it's drifting into more of an insult-slinging competition, and if this goes on for any longer, I'm afraid this thread will have to be closed. To everyone here: you're welcome to continue debating factual information, however, but please keep it (relatively) pleasant.
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