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Re: Why is American Indian...?

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I never said all were druggies.
All I said was that those who went there as druggies usually came back worse.

If I'd not been rejected for military service I'd likely be in the military now, though probably not in a warzone (by now I'd be too senior to be sent into battle, instead being confined to a headquarters' job).

Can't help it that I was born too late for Korea, too early for Afghanistan (we were never in Vietnam).
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I don't think the Dutch were ever in Vietnam.
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the french were though

the UK were in Korea
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I don't think the Dutch were ever in Vietnam.


we weren't.
Indonesia, New Guinea, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan.
And UN peacekeeping missions in (among other places) the Lebanon, Sinai, Cambodia, Bosnia, and Kosovo.
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I never said all were druggies.
All I said was that those who went there as druggies usually came back worse.<<what you actually said:
But IMO NOTHING justifies drugs, and the majority of the drug cases in Vietnam were druggies before they went over. They just replaced pot with easy to get opium and heroine when over there.>>
If I'd not been rejected for military service I'd likely be in the military now, though probably not in a warzone (by now I'd be too senior to be sent into battle, instead being confined to a headquarters' job).

Can't help it that I was born too late for Korea, too early for Afghanistan (we were never in Vietnam).
It is amazing how many conservatives managed to dodge any actual military service - we have an administration full of warhawks who thought Iraq would be a walk in the park and yet they all had 'other priorities' during the Vietnam police action. You did not go to VN, did not spend any time in the military and still manage to 'know' what and who was a druggie. I have buddies who think if you haven't killed anyone, you don't get an opinion - but, sometimes, I wonder if at least some of neocons had pee'd in a foxhole, we might not have gone into Iraq
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ah, the leftists are down to their usual practice again, uttering lies and abusive language in an attempt to bully others to stop telling the truth which they don't like.

"neocons" are the ultraleft wing of the Republican party, people who're more leftwing than most so-called "Democrats".
Iraq was a necessity. It was in fact mandated by the UN resolutions determining the terms to the 1991 ceasefire, and should have been initiated in 1995 when Iraq broke those terms.
But Billyboy Clinton was too weak, too soft, to do what needed be done.
Had he done his duty as commander in chief and president of the US Iraq would have been free and at peace in 1996, 9/11 would never have happened as AQ would have been destroyed in their hideouts in Afghanistan after the embassy bombings and the attack on the Cole.
Clinton gave AQ 5 years to prepare their network to survive the onslaught they knew would come after 9/11, he gave them the time to prepare their operations in Iraq.
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yeah but why didnt they just do that then!

the government lied and the public to believe we were going to war because iraq had links to al-quaeda and 11/9 and that it had weapons of mas destructions which could be used within 45 minutes.
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they didn't lie, though they may have acted on incorrect information.
There is a difference, you know...
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http://www.vhfcn.org/stat.html

interesting statistics but i dont believe it. Seems to pro-us , especially the line

Myth: The United States lost the war in Vietnam.

The American military was not defeated in Vietnam.

well, south vietnam was defeated, the us faught a bloody war for many years, and north vieynam is still communist to this day. I call this a defeat.
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ah, the leftists are down to their usual practice again, uttering lies and abusive language in an attempt to bully others to stop telling the truth which they don't like.
So you are attacking me for quoting you directly? You are saying that I am bullying you? Show me your truth - you specifically stated that you did not serve in the military; you specifically stated that most of the GIs who did drugs in VN were druggies before they went over, then you tried to change what you said.
"neocons" are the ultraleft wing of the Republican party, people who're more leftwing than most so-called "Democrats".
Man you are so wrong that there is nothing in this statement that even makes sense let alone approach the truth. "most younger neocons never experienced being left of center. They've always been "Reagan" Republicans."; they believe that the United States should not be ashamed to use its unrivaled power – forcefully if necessary – to promote its values around the world. Some even speak of the need to cultivate a US empire."
Iraq was a necessity. It was in fact mandated by the UN resolutions determining the terms to the 1991 ceasefire, and should have been initiated in 1995 when Iraq broke those terms.
Nope! Not even close.
But Billyboy Clinton was too weak, too soft, to do what needed be done. Had he done his duty as commander in chief and president of the US Iraq would have been free and at peace in 1996
So you are saying that Bill Clinton would have been such a good commander-in-chief that he would have done in a year what Bush2 couldn't do in 5? Here is what Cheney said about why Bush1 left Iraq (he was Sec of Defense)
"I would guess if we had gone in there, I would still have forces in Baghdad today. We'd be running the country. We would not have been able to get everybody out and bring everybody home....
And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam [Hussein] worth? And the answer is not that damned many. So, I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we'd achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq"
9/11 would never have happened as AQ would have been destroyed in their hideouts in Afghanistan after the embassy bombings and the attack on the Cole.Clinton gave AQ 5 years to prepare their network to survive the onslaught they knew would come after 9/11
Revisionist bull-pucky
he gave them the time to prepare their operations in Iraq.
Even Bush2 and Cheney admit there were no AQ in Iraq when they attacked - you gotta keep up with the talking point memos - remember, it was 'mushroom cloud', biological WMD, then AQ in Iraq, ending with <<sputter,sputter>> Saddam was evil (no one contests this one point).
There's your draftdodger behaviour.
name one civilian in the Bush administration who served his country in the military (signing up for AF reserves then never going to the meetings does not count)
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