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Re: Gamers PC

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Oct 12th, 2004

thats what I ment when I said multi-tasking I was refering to the HT

Ht= hyper threading

not to be confused with the

ht= hyper transport.

i dont know why amd and intel does this, we're only human STOP CONFUSING US!!! :evil:

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Oct 12th, 2004

Not sure what you're suggesting there, rcrevolution. Are you perhaps suggesting that because a term with 'hyper' in it has been associated with an Intel product, then no AMD product should use anything which also has 'hyper' in it's name?

Hyperthreading is the parrallel processing of 'streams' of data, in a way which simulates dual processors rather than a single one. Even when the feature is enabled on the processor, it hardly ever gets used, because hardly any programs can make use of it.

Hypertransport, a feature found on newer AMD processors, is a memory management technology, not a processing technology. With AMD Athlon64 and AthlonFX processors, the memory management unit of the system is located on the processor, rather than being left as a function of the motherboard chipset's northbridge chip. The feature is constantly in use, enabling the motherboard chipset to be less complex, and enabling the computer system to operate without a traditional 'front side bus' arrangement being in place and acting as a 'bottleneck'.

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Re: Gamers PC

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Oct 12th, 2004

is there a motherboard that supports both intel and amd (i dont mean one that can run both at the same time) just in case you wanted to remove your processor and switch to another brand with out buying a new mb.

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Oct 12th, 2004

No. Never has been, never will be. The technologies and internal architecture of the processors are entirely different.

A motherboard which did that would really be TWO motherboards!

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Re: Gamers PC

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Oct 12th, 2004

i think if i ever learn computer engineering that i would make some mutant motherboard that could do that or just make a case that already has two mbs in it it would sort of be a tight squeeze maybe i could attach the second one on the back like an extra tire on the back of a car (that would be a site now wouldn't it).

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Originally Posted by Catweazle

Hypertransport, a feature found on newer AMD processors, is a memory management technology, not a processing technology. With AMD Athlon64 and AthlonFX processors, the memory management unit of the system is located on the processor, rather than being left as a function of the motherboard chipset's northbridge chip. The feature is constantly in use, enabling the motherboard chipset to be less complex, and enabling the computer system to operate without a traditional 'front side bus' arrangement being in place and acting as a 'bottleneck'.

Quick correction - hypertransport is not the onboard memory controller found on Athlon 64 CPUs. It is basically a new type of front side bus - the main data "highway" on a motherboard. It offers high speed full-duplex transfers (google it for more detailed specifications). Vanilla A64 CPUs and FX models come with a single hypertransport link to communicate with the rest of the system. Opterons can come with many more for potential multi-processor communication (thus removing the bottleneck of a single front side bus).

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It's actually a bit more than a 'new type of front side bus'. It's actually a complete new standard of system interface, only part of which is implemented in the Athlon64/FX processors and motherboards. If fully implemented it's a replacement standard for system interaction which is designed to even outperform the PCIE standard.

I've described the implementation a little more fully in this article.

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Oct 13th, 2004

Ok I am refering to both being abrivated Ht on websites. I dont know how that was confusing.

and I believe AMD 64 only runs up to 800MHz FSb but the hyper transport allows it to double its FSb to 1600Mhz since its a full duplex or something like that, I completely saw that written in a different forum, didnt make it up.

anyways look at it 99% of the motherboards for amd 64 say FSB up to 800mhz only 1 or 2 say 1600mhz.

can someone help me, I really need this help.
Can someone go on newegg and search for a good motherbaord for a AMD 64 3400+ for under $120, or just a little over. I cant find one, everyone seems to have a major defect in its bios system or something else.

I need these stats.
mobo for a amd 64 3400+ with the full use of the FSb
agp x4/x8
2-3GB 3 slots or 2 (perferably 3) for PC32000 RAM
Nforce 3 250 chipset
and some sort of firewire.
anything else I dont care what it has.

so can anyone help me plz?

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Re: Gamers PC

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Oct 15th, 2004

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Originally Posted by Catweazle

No. Never has been, never will be. The technologies and internal architecture of the processors are entirely different.

A motherboard which did that would really be TWO motherboards!

Actually, I thought that initially, AMD was pin-compatible with Intel. That was WAY back in the day, though, and I've even forgotten which chips they were...

All I remember was that AMD was coming out as a cheap Intel replacement, and then they eventually moved into their own light, and moved into their own socket format.

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Originally Posted by alc6379

Actually, I thought that initially, AMD was pin-compatible with Intel. That was WAY back in the day, though, and I've even forgotten which chips they were...

All I remember was that AMD was coming out as a cheap Intel replacement, and then they eventually moved into their own light, and moved into their own socket format.

Initially, AMD was making chips for Intel! But yes, after setting out on their own, they did make CPUs for the socket 7 format (K5s). They then moved into super socket 7, before utilising the EV-6 bus architecture in their slot A format with the birth of the Athlon.

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