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Re: cpu will not boot unless xp cd in cd rom drive

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Re: cpu will not boot unless xp cd in cd rom drive

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O.K. Bro, this is what I got,,,,, I followed everything you said, and I set hard drive back to first boot, cdrom second, system boots and I get a long pharagraph saying canot load from the device, check your hardware configuration blah, blah, blah. I hit any key to reboot, pressing F8 key, I choose the C drive, next screen I choose normal boot, next screen I click the only instalation listed named, "My Bad Ass Machine", (you said I could say what ever I wanted in the quotes), and this is all without cd in drive. maybe got the wrong numbers of drive (multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)) wrong? Sorry to bang your head Gerbil!!!
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Re: cpu will not boot unless xp cd in cd rom drive

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Nah, your're not banging my head, billy. This all comes down to how your BIOS treats a mix of Sata and IDE drives, where it puts them in the hd hierachy. BIOSes vary in many aspects whilst overall doing the same thing. Some BIOS put the Sata as first devices ie Disko etc and the IDE come later. Yours seems to put it between primary and secondary IDEs. My BIOS lets me order them for boot purposes. That is something you could check... it could be an entry in the drives page of your BIOS setup, like drive or boot configuration where it asks you which hard disk drive is to be your boot device [the system drive containing the boot files... sigh]. I don't mean the generic boot order page where you select floppy, cdrom or hdd, nor that F8 boot selection menu.
Without that choice it does look like for the moment that you will have to put up with your BIOS demanding that Disk0, whatever it is, contains the system partition. Windows XP Setup is pretty hide-bound, it will make Disk0 the system drive no matter what, even forcing the creation of a primary partition if one does not exist [logical volumes cannot be made system drives], it will always write its own MBR on that disk, and write its boot sector files to a primary partition on that disk, making that partition the system volume.
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"I get a long pharagraph saying cannot load from the device, check your hardware configuration" - this is your BIOS reporting that the MBR code could not find an Active partition in the Disk0 partition table. The BIOS went straight to Disk0 for the MBR.
"next screen I click the only installation listed namely, "My Bad Ass Machine"" - then it loads, right? If it did then this bit is correct: (multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1). You just have to set C: as Active. And check your BIOS to see if you can make it boot from the Sata.
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"next screen I choose normal boot, next screen I click the only installation listed namely, "My Bad Ass Machine"" - this is Windows talking to you through ntldr. Ntldr has found and read boot.ini, but I thought the boot.ini on C: was the original... did you put the modified one there also? No problem, just wondering. I should have asked to see the original boot.ini.
If Windows did not load at that point then I got the (multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1) wrong - show me the original boot.ini. If that is gone, then go into Recovery Console using your XP installation cd and run:
bootcfg/list
bootcfg /scan -this searches for windows installations across all your disks
bootcfg /rebuild -this lets you choose to add them to your boot.ini
And show it to me too, please. Gotta learn from my mistakes....
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Re: cpu will not boot unless xp cd in cd rom drive

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Gerbil,
before I read your post, you must have read my mind, I just used a little bit of elimination of elements to figure it out.

([boot loader]
timeout=4
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

This was correct, it was doing what and where it was supposed to be doing, (of course you knew that, lol), the problem was that the bios was told to load like "1, 2, 3", but the boot file says we have to load "2, 1, 3," so in order for it to exucute and read the boot file it had to load that drive first and instead it was loading it second. I changed the boot device priority, (hard drive, cdrom), but then since I have multiple drives, I hade to tell the bios what drive to load first. Did I make any sence at all in explaining my repair? lololol..... Thank you again so much,,,, I will save this info in my book of fixit's, it's a realy big book!!!

And after all of redoing the cpu, I do not see where I gained anything but a lot more different drives to scatter up and a faster boot up!!!!! And of course I got a computer lesson.
Thanks Again Gerbil.

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Re: cpu will not boot unless xp cd in cd rom drive

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Yay!! You got there, and isn't it extra nice when you get there by your own ideas? It is no matter at all that the system and boot partitions are on different drives, as long as you remember that your sys will not start without both of em, and as disk0 and disk2.
On the secondary IDE controller consensus would have you put the cdrom as master on the outer, the other drive as slave cos it is a data drive, but it matters not much.
In the next lesson I walk you through turning a hard drive platter into an impressive shaving mirror. Good luck out there.
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