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knoppix or else

Feb 15th, 2004

im seriously thinking about installing knoppix to my hdd i was gonna partition my C: drive. But im gonna purchase a new hdd in the near future and install linux on that. After gathering info to go about this ive found i need a grub or lilo for dual boot (i wanna keep xp pro for now) after a quick search on google ive become a bit confused as to which is the better of the two and also if these programs are self explanetory once put in to use.
Im aware that once installed knoppix will basically become debian which i have never used (ive never used any linux/unix program) so i hope its ok. But thats got me wondering what would be the best linux system to use as ive read lots about red-hat. now i dont know which to go for and i dont want to make the wrong decision as this could ruin my first real experience with linux :rolleyes: (ive been using knoppix live-cd for a couple of days)
please help as its better to find out from people with experience rather than trudging through lots of web pages ive been reading http://dsl.org/cookbook/ which has been helpful but i suspect is a little bit dated. Im also gonna read this http://frf.hypermart.net/linux-newbie/index.htm

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Re: knoppix or else

Feb 15th, 2004

I tell you what it's a single cd, non-GUI install http://www.linuxiso.org/distro.php?distro=31

Description: Libranet is a Debian-based distribution with an easy-to-use installer and system management functions.
With it's own forums http://www.libranet.com/

During the install, libranet will take care of your NT partitions & the bootloader. All you do is tell it which OS you want to boot first & how many sec you want till it boots in.

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Feb 15th, 2004

cheers weather channel
i just purchased a 40gig hd off ebay. so im gonna install on that. Forgive me but is libranet essentially knoppix i had a look at your link and saw a knoppix screenshot on there or is it an installer??
I have been looking at the info in your signature but they have gone although i have some of them bookmarked

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Re: knoppix or else

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cheers weather channel
i just purchased a 40gig hd off ebay. so im gonna install on that. Forgive me but is libranet essentially knoppix i had a look at your link and saw a knoppix screenshot on there or is it an installer??
I have been looking at the info in your signature but they have gone although i have some of them bookmarked.

Knoppix is still a good choice, but you may want to wait a few weeks. Version 3.4 is due with the opening of the CeBIT show in Hanover, Germany mid-March. The new version will have a kernel 2.6 option and KDE 3.2 is likely, as well.

If you use Knoppix, Klaus just put out a maintenance release that clears up a couple of problems, especially with HDD installs. There's also a Debian-Knoppix mailing list for the really tough problems.

Nothing against Libranet, but I have personally had excellent results with my Knoppix HD installs -- and it's hard to beat the support you can find on Knoppix.net and the mail list.

I have a dual-HD setup myself. I use GAGboot to make dual-booting easy, even with my wierd setup.

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Originally Posted by TallCool1

Knoppix is still a good choice, but you may want to wait a few weeks. Version 3.4 is due with the opening of the CeBIT show in Hanover, Germany mid-March. The new version will have a kernel 2.6 option and KDE 3.2 is likely, as well.

If you use Knoppix, Klaus just put out a maintenance release that clears up a couple of problems, especially with HDD installs. There's also a Debian-Knoppix mailing list for the really tough problems.

Nothing against Libranet, but I have personally had excellent results with my Knoppix HD installs -- and it's hard to beat the support you can find on Knoppix.net and the mail list.

I have a dual-HD setup myself. I use GAGboot to make dual-booting easy, even with my wierd setup.

cheers tallcool1 ill give GAGboot a look the dual boot is the thing that im most worried about at the mo. But im sure it will be straight forward. as for kernel im still not sure what it is ive read a little on http://dsl.org/cookbook/ which has been helpful but i need to get some glasses sorted as the screen hurts my eyes after a while

(poor little bugger) lol. but im well excited about getting linux up and running the cd is great but limited but still a very good introduction!!

cheers mate

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Re: knoppix or else

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...i need to get some glasses sorted as the screen hurts my eyes after a while...

You do realize that in Mozilla [Ctrl]+[+] and [Ctrl]+[-] respectively increase and decrease the font size, right? It's one reason that the seniors I teach like it. It works the same under Linux and Windows. Unlike IE, it's not limited to a range -- and Konqueror has no equivalent keyboard shortcuts.

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Originally Posted by TallCool1

You dorealize that in Mozilla [Ctrl]+[+] and [Ctrl]+[-] respectively increase and decrease the font size, right? It's one reason that the seniors I teach like it. It works the same under Linux and Windows. Unlike IE, it's not limited to a range -- and Konqueror has no equivalent keyboard shortcuts.

cool!! Ididnt know that. although im in xp at the mo and using IE

. Although im thinkin bout installing mozilla on xp. ive just been faffing about with the view>text size in IE to enlarge the font.
So youre a teacher. I know it maybe the wrong thread for this but i wanna do a course on computing but dont know where to begin i dont feel like a new user (ive been using windows for about 4 years so not that long but ive learnt alot)and i dont think i need a beginners course. i want to educate myself so i can get a decent job using computers im only 21 but i have a 2 year old girl so dropping of my current job to go to college is out of the question (monumental mason). maybe you could advise on somewhere to start. as i really dont know where to begin.
sorry to plague you but if you could advise it would be great.
Thanks
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Re: knoppix or else

Feb 16th, 2004

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Originally Posted by drummerboy

cheers weather channel
i just purchased a 40gig hd off ebay. so im gonna install on that. Forgive me but is libranet essentially knoppix i had a look at your link and saw a knoppix screenshot on there or is it an installer??

thanks again

Ummmmmmmmmm.................no,you can read up about each linux distro at LinuxISO.org and one from there may click on the project link,to read up more about a paticular distro.

"knoppix screenshot" Yeah, it looked alot like your screenshot in the Feb desktop thread. But those all are taken in libranet. That is a KDE session, I posted one from my libranet box yesterday in the that thread, it's taken from a iceWM session it looks alot like windows. I use Blackbox(session) on my laptop because it is fast.

Some people will suggest, a noobie to start with Redhat,Mandrake or fedora......While in all reality, those people probably use linux sparingly. They might say it's easy to install,update,configure,upgrade,install pkgs...ect ,this a false myth. In reality the more advance the easier the installing,upgrading,updating...ect That's why I sugested you use Libranet it's debian based so, you get to take advantage of the Debian pkg cellar.
EXAMPLE: Say you want to update your Libranet you will simply type in a terminal
apt-get update

Say you want to Upgrade libranet,you will type:
apt-get upgrade

Say you want Aim(GAIM in linux) to chat with,in the "Admin menu" internet package terminal you will type:

gaim

How hard is that? Not to mention it will take about 2-3 min, to update & upgrade Libranet compared to the 30, 40 min on the others I named, depending on your connection. People fail to take advantage of the apt-get feature in linux and that's ashame!
*edit I attached a tutorial on the install, "work smarter not harder"

Cheers,

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Re: knoppix or else

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Originally Posted by WEATHER CHANNEL

Some people will suggest, a noobie to start with Redhat,Mandrake or fedora......While in all reality, those people probably use linux sparingly. They might say it's easy to install,update,configure,upgrade,install pkgs...ect ,this a false myth. In reality the more advance the easier the installing,upgrading,updating...ect

I disagree. It's not a myth at all, but a reality. Those distributions were designed with "easy" in mind, regarding installing and upgrading packages. Show me a first-time Linux user who knows anything about compiling from source or patching a kernel. All they have to know is "rpm -i filename.rpm" and it works for them.

What you're saying is, "the harder it is to do, the easier for them it will be." That's like saying, "If you don't understand it, it will be a piece of cake." The average person trying out Linux is curious, like all of us who've been using Linux for years are. They want to experiment with something new and/or different to them, see if they like it, and maybe use it. Others just want to see what all the hype is about. Others yet are looking for a real alternative to something with a Microsoft brand name on the package, and they need to find out which distro will work the best for them.

I recommend Debian to people wanting to "check it out" simply because it's a very good distro. Knoppix, Gnoppix, Libranet, LindowsOS, and a slew of others are all based on Debian, so they're pretty much the same underneath - they all use the Debian package management system. Fedora, Mandrake, SuSe, RedHat, and others use the RedHat package management system (rpm = RedHat Package Manager.) It's a matter of personal preference to the individual which one they use.

As far as only taking 2 to 3 minutes to update & upgrade a .deb system, compared with 30 - 40 minutes with others, I've seen Debian boxes take up to 2 hours to fetch/apply updates. It all depends on how up-to-date the system was to begin with, the connection speed, how many updates are being applied, and the system hardware itself. Not to mention the level of experience the Admin doing the updates has...

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Originally Posted by WEATHER CHANNEL

Some people will suggest, a noobie to start with Redhat,Mandrake or fedora......While in all reality, those people probably use linux sparingly.

I know a lot of enterprises using RedHat for DNS, DHCP, and firewalls, and the people who run them are experienced SysAdmins. It doesn't have to be "difficult" to be "good."

...just my 2 cents...

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Originally Posted by WEATHER CHANNEL

Ummmmmmmmmm.................no,you can read up about each linux distro at LinuxISO.org and one from there may click on the project link,to read up more about a paticular distro.

"knoppix screenshot" Yeah, it looked alot like your screenshot in the Feb desktop thread. But those all are taken in libranet. That is a KDE session, I posted one from my libranet box yesterday in the that thread, it's taken from a iceWM session it looks alot like windows. I use Blackbox(session) on my laptop because it is fast.

Some people will suggest, a noobie to start with Redhat,Mandrake or fedora......While in all reality, those people probably use linux sparingly. They might say it's easy to install,update,configure,upgrade,install pkgs...ect ,this a false myth. In reality the more advance the easier the installing,upgrading,updating...ect That's why I sugested you use Libranet it's debian based so, you get to take advantage of the Debian pkg cellar.
EXAMPLE: Say you want to update your Libranet you will simply type in a terminal
apt-get update

Say you want to Upgrade libranet,you will type:
apt-get upgrade

Say you want Aim(GAIM in linux) to chat with,in the "Admin menu" internet package terminal you will type:

gaim

How hard is that? Not to mention it will take about 2-3 min, to update & upgrade Libranet compared to the 30, 40 min on the others I named, depending on your connection. People fail to take advantage of the apt-get feature in linux and that's ashame!
*edit I attached a tutorial on the install, "work smarter not harder"

Cheers,

Thanks weather channel. as you say it seems simple enough ive just gotta learn the commands. Its gonna be fun. im the sort of person that easily gets bored when not learning something new (it does my womans head in, but i like it:lol: ) so i think im gonna have alot of fun learning linux. i havent looked at your install tutorial yet but i will give it a good perusing through. And i think i understand what youre saying about the more advanced OS.

Cheers chief!!

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