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Originally Posted by Fasola
okay i went the first link and i have questions about the basic network diagram
if i have:
1. 3 computers running windows xp
2. NICs in all
3. Ethernet cables
4. a hub
and connect all 3 computers to the hub. What do i have to do make one of those computers control the other two? like have administrative privileges. because thats where it all starts right?
If you've gotten that configured, you can use this as a resource for remote access:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/u...p_03may16.mspx
Your requirements are still vague, though-- "talking to each other" can mean a number of different things, depending on the situation, and who you're asking.
It's kind of like saying "How do I run an office?" You could mean, "How do I hire/fire people?", or "How do I order paper for the copiers?", or "What's the best way to set up a lunch schedule for the employees?"
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
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Originally Posted by alc6379
That's still getting a bit ahead of yourself. Learn to get the machines connected, and get them IP addresses.
http://www.7up1.com/files/How_To_Net...s_Together.htm
"To assign a private IP address for a simple network
1.open the Network dialog box.
2. Select the TCP/IP Ethernet adapter from the list titled The following network components are installed.
3. Click Properties.
4. To assign an automatic IP address, click Obtain an IP address automatically.
5. To assign a static IP address, click Specify an IP address, and then type in the IP address and . "
^^^I couldn't find the "Network Dialog" box. what is and what does a TCP/IP Ethernet adapter do? what does bullet 5 mean? I thought computers got their ip addresses from the NIC and that's how the network/hub would recognize the computer on the network. isn't that called a "mask" or something?...also, look at bullet no. 2 (below):
"To configure other computers on your home network
1. Ensure that a network adapter is installed on each computer on your home network. If not, see the documentation that came with the adapter to install the hardware.
2. Make sure that TCP/IP is installed and configured to assign IP addresses automatically on each computer on the home network. For more information, see Related Topics.
3. Configure applications that can connect to the Internet, such as Internet Explorer or Outlook Express, to use your home network instead of connecting directly to the Internet. For more information, see the documentation that came with these applications.
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How do you install TCP/IP, I thought that was just an internet protocol. Is TCP/IP actual software you install to get on the internet? And, how does TCP/IP assign ip address automatically?
-fasola
p.s. i read most of the tutorial from the 3 link you provided.
i know i can look at the ip address information by opening, command prompt and typing "ipconfig", but is there a way to actually configurate/assign ip addresses from command prompt?
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Originally Posted by Fasola
okay im trying to learn how to do that, check out what i found
http://www.7up1.com/files/How_To_Net...s_Together.htm
"To assign a private IP address for a simple network
1.open the Network dialog box.
2. Select the TCP/IP Ethernet adapter from the list titled The following network components are installed.
3. Click Properties.
4. To assign an automatic IP address, click Obtain an IP address automatically.
5. To assign a static IP address, click Specify an IP address, and then type in the IP address and . "
^^^I couldn't find the "Network Dialog" box. what is and what does a TCP/IP Ethernet adapter do? what does bullet 5 mean? I thought computers got their ip addresses from the NIC and that's how the network/hub would recognize the computer on the network. isn't that called a "mask" or something?...also, look at bullet no. 2 (below):
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You can also open the Network dialog box by clicking Start, pointing to Settings, clicking Control Panel, and clicking Network
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Originally Posted by Fasola
"To configure other computers on your home network
1. Ensure that a network adapter is installed on each computer on your home network. If not, see the documentation that came with the adapter to install the hardware.
2. Make sure that TCP/IP is installed and configured to assign IP addresses automatically on each computer on the home network. For more information, see Related Topics.
3. Configure applications that can connect to the Internet, such as Internet Explorer or Outlook Express, to use your home network instead of connecting directly to the Internet. For more information, see the documentation that came with these applications.
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How do you install TCP/IP, I thought that was just an internet protocol. Is TCP/IP actual software you install to get on the internet? And, how does TCP/IP assign ip address automatically?
The network properties control panel has options to specify if you want a static or automatically set IP address. Here in the next couple of days, I should be able to post a walkthrough on how to set up a static IP address that I made for another project.
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
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Originally Posted by alc6379
Here in the next couple of days, I should be able to post a walkthrough on how to set up a static IP address that I made for another project.
^^^I'll definitely be waiting on that!
question, so once you have the cables plugged into the computers to connect the computers to the hub and assigned your ip addresses to the computers, then what? remember, i'm trying to get the computers to (for lack of a better term) "talk"
i know im getting ahead of myself, but i can't wait to know how to build a "working" network....
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Once you know the IP Addresses of the systems, you can use the PING command from a command prompt. Just type in
ping ipaddress
Where ipaddress is the IP Address of a system. If you get REPLY FROM: 4 times, you are "talking" to the other system, in the simplest sense.
Here's the HOWTO, as promised:
http://home.comcast.net/~alc6379/helpdocs/ipadd_1.htm
Hope it helps you, or anyone else. I set it up as a clickable walkthrough, so it should be pretty easy to follow.
ping ipaddress
Where ipaddress is the IP Address of a system. If you get REPLY FROM: 4 times, you are "talking" to the other system, in the simplest sense.
Here's the HOWTO, as promised:
http://home.comcast.net/~alc6379/helpdocs/ipadd_1.htm
Hope it helps you, or anyone else. I set it up as a clickable walkthrough, so it should be pretty easy to follow.
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
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Originally Posted by alc6379
Once you know the IP Addresses of the systems, you can use the PING command from a command prompt. Just type in
ping ipaddress
Where ipaddress is the IP Address of a system. If you get REPLY FROM: 4 times, you are "talking" to the other system, in the simplest sense.
Here's the HOWTO, as promised:
http://home.comcast.net/~alc6379/helpdocs/ipadd_1.htm
Hope it helps you, or anyone else. I set it up as a clickable walkthrough, so it should be pretty easy to follow.
i didn't know thats how a ping was done, thanks.
i went through the tutorial and it really helped me see how easy it was to assign an ip address. please clear up DNS servers and DHCP servers.
where is the DNS server? is it something i have to set on the network or is it something on the internet a LAN accesses when passing information across the internet? i'm lost, even after i went here:
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DNS.html
the same for DHCP servers. is it a work station i have to assign as a server on/for my network (i.e. LAN) or is it something i am suppose to access through the internet? i went here to understand DHCP a little better:
http://www.dhcp-handbook.com/dhcp_faq.html#widxx
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Originally Posted by Fasola
i didn't know thats how a ping was done, thanks.
i went through the tutorial and it really helped me see how easy it was to assign an ip address. please clear up DNS servers and DHCP servers.
where is the DNS server? is it something i have to set on the network or is it something on the internet a LAN accesses when passing information across the internet? i'm lost, even after i went here:
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/D/DNS.html
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the same for DHCP servers. is it a work station i have to assign as a server on/for my network (i.e. LAN) or is it something i am suppose to access through the internet? i went here to understand DHCP a little better:
http://www.dhcp-handbook.com/dhcp_faq.html#widxx
Have you purchased a book yet, or at least considered one? All of the information I've provided thus far is covered in those Dummies... books I recommended.
Alex Cavnar, aka alc6379
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Originally Posted by alc6379
It all depends, really. I thought I had outlined that in a previous post. A DHCP server can be any number of machines-- in a large network, it's a machine running some Network OS, like Linux or Windows Server 2003, and one of the system's primary functions would be to give out the IP addressing, and related information. On a small (ie, home, small business/org) network, it's usually going to be router you install that gives out the IP addresses. In certain circumstances, like if you used Windows Internet Connection Sharing, it could very well be a desktop/workstation on your network. Like I said, it all depends.
Have you purchased a book yet, or at least considered one? All of the information I've provided thus far is covered in those Dummies... books I recommended.
sorry i didn't reply earlier, started a new job this week and have been pretty busy, tried to view your response at work but i work for one of those big corps that might fire you for using the internet to do non-work related stuff on the job. you know how that is!...i pinged my own computer at work though, that felt good :mrgreen:
i remember you telling me about the DHCP server before. i forgot about that. thanks for the clarification on DNS servers.
i'm at the library now so i'll see if they have a Networking for Dummies book.
i know a little about networking since i use to be a Data Network Account Consultant at AT&T, which made me go here to look up Multiplexers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplexer
and i found this, "In digital signal processing, the multiplexer (often abbreviated to mux or, more rarely, muldex) takes several separate digital data streams and combines them together into one data stream of a higher data rate. This allows multiple data streams to be carried from one place to another over one physical link, which saves cost.
At the receiving end of the data link a complementary demultiplexer or demux is normally required to break the high data rate stream back down into the original lower rate streams. In some cases, the far end system may have more functionality than a simple demultiplexer and so, whilst the demultiplexing still exists logically, it may never actually happen physically. This would be typical where a multiplexer serves a number of IP network users and then feeds directly into a router which immediately reads the content of the entire link into its routing processor and then does the demultiplexing in memory from where it will be converted directly into IP packets.
It is usual to combine a multiplexer and a demultiplexer together into one piece of equipment and simply refer to the whole thing as a "multiplexer". Both pieces of equipment are needed at both ends of a transmission link because most communications systems transmit in both directions."
im going paint a picture of a basic network that i see all the time at work, school computer labs, the library, etc. i don't know how they work or what order, but im going to take a stab at it:
1. there's a T1 connection to the premises
2. the T1 is connected to a Router
3. the Router is connected to a Multiplexer
4. the Multiplexer is connected to machines on your network
5. there has to be a DHCP server running a network OS (Windows Server 2003) to assign dynamic ip addresses to machines on the LAN
6. or you assign an ISP's DNS that uses DHCP to assign ip addresses to machines on the LAN
^^^is that right or am i missing something (i know i am, it can't be that easy)? another question, do printers need an ip address too?
another question just came to mind, do network admins use Windows Server 2003 to "control" the network?...for instances, im at work, i need to download and install something on my computer, but my computer doesn't allow downloads or installations. so i call the helpdesk and they give me downloading and installation privileges, i hang up the phone and now i can download and install anything
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Originally Posted by Fasola
another question just came to mind, do network admins use Windows Server 2003 to "control" the network?...for instances, im at work, i need to download and install something on my computer, but my computer doesn't allow downloads or installations. so i call the helpdesk and they give me downloading and installation privileges, i hang up the phone and now i can download and install anything
The following will give you a little introduction to Group Policies concerning 2003 server.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pro...ep/gpfeat.mspx
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