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C++ advice (scanf/printf)
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Originally Posted by Narue
>Have you ever been to competitions?
Yes, and I adjust my code accordingly to conform to the rules. However, this is quite irrelevant to your faulty advice because 1) you're just plain wrong, and 2) most of the time, one is not writing code for a competition.
>I know that cin and cout ARE slower.
It depends on what you're testing. Obviously you aren't aware that cin and cout are fully functional objects with a great deal more power and flexibility than scanf and printf. If all you're doing is printing strings then I would expect a naive test to show printf to be faster. However, and this relies heavily on the quality of the implementation, on modern compilers with comparison code written by someone objective and knowledgeable, you won't see much difference in speed.
>You want proof, here it is.
Heh, what are you doing, timing it with a stopwatch?Give me your profiler's output, add some timing framework, or don't even waste my time with such a silly test. Oh, and if you're trying to prove something, give me details on your compiler and system.
Let's try this one instead. It's rough, and not entirely portable, but it should give you approximate times for your implementation. Mine shows comparable speeds where the difference varies between printf and cout, and the difference is negligable. That kind of flies in the face of your assertion, doesn't it?
>And do you know why?C++ Syntax (Toggle Plain Text)
#include <iostream> #include <cstdio> #include <ctime> int main() { std::clock_t start1, start2; double diff1, diff2; start1 = std::clock(); for ( int i = 0; i < 100000; i++ ) std::cout<<"a"; diff1 = ( std::clock() - start1 ) / (double)CLOCKS_PER_SEC; start2 = std::clock(); for ( int i = 0; i < 100000; i++ ) printf ( "a" ); diff2 = ( std::clock() - start2 ) / (double)CLOCKS_PER_SEC; std::cout<<"cout: "<< diff1 <<'\n' <<"printf: "<< diff2 <<'\n'; }
Yes, I do. That makes one of us. :rolleyes:
>It is because cin and cout everytime have to get the type of the variable you are sending to them
When making a joke, it's customary to add the appropriate smiley. Otherwise I'd be inclined to think that you're spouting nonsense on a subject that you clearly know very little about. My only conclusion is that you're trying to be smart and failing miserably because you seem to be talking to someone who knows way more about C++ than you do.
>and scanf() and printf() from their prototype know what kind of variables to expect.
And in what way do you think that the runtime type selection from a format string with scanf/printf is faster than selecting an overloaded function at compile time?
Revenage is a dish best served cold.
50|2|2Y 4 |34|) 3|\|6|_|5|-| >Try writing a bigger constant, like 100,000,000.
Try understanding the phrases "naive comparison" and "negligable difference". The first point concerns the fact that you're not using cout in a comparable way to what printf does, so the test is extremely biased in favor of printf. The second point concerns the fact that if you have to run the loop 100 million times to get any reasonable performance difference, the difference is so small as to be negligable. But I applaud your abundance of free time such that you could run the program with a loop constant of 100,000,000. :rolleyes:
Your initial advice is sound in the proper context, but you're lacking the proper context and trying feverishly to cover your ass after I repeatedly proved your claims incorrect. I highly recommend you quit while you're not too far behind, because it's painfully obvious that you're way out of your league in a technical debate with me on the details of C++.
By the way, I'm still waiting for your response to my other questions. Most notably this one:
And this one:
And out of sheer curiosity, this one:
Try understanding the phrases "naive comparison" and "negligable difference". The first point concerns the fact that you're not using cout in a comparable way to what printf does, so the test is extremely biased in favor of printf. The second point concerns the fact that if you have to run the loop 100 million times to get any reasonable performance difference, the difference is so small as to be negligable. But I applaud your abundance of free time such that you could run the program with a loop constant of 100,000,000. :rolleyes:
Your initial advice is sound in the proper context, but you're lacking the proper context and trying feverishly to cover your ass after I repeatedly proved your claims incorrect. I highly recommend you quit while you're not too far behind, because it's painfully obvious that you're way out of your league in a technical debate with me on the details of C++.
By the way, I'm still waiting for your response to my other questions. Most notably this one:
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Originally Posted by Narue
And in what way do you think that the runtime type selection from a format string with scanf/printf is faster than selecting an overloaded function at compile time?
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Originally Posted by Narue
Oh, and if you're trying to prove something, give me details on your compiler and system.
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Originally Posted by Narue
Heh, what are you doing, timing it with a stopwatch?
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The thing which makes this thread amusing is that fact that you think using printf instead of cout, may save you time in a coding competition.
What competitions are you entering where such a ridiculous criterion is encouraged.
Don't you realise that these competitions are judged on the strength of the algorithm, and the ingenuity of the coder.
For example, using quicksort over bubble sort. Or applying a dynamic approach as opposed to a brute force one.
Please stop making me cringe with embarassment for you. :eek:
What competitions are you entering where such a ridiculous criterion is encouraged.
Don't you realise that these competitions are judged on the strength of the algorithm, and the ingenuity of the coder.
For example, using quicksort over bubble sort. Or applying a dynamic approach as opposed to a brute force one.
Please stop making me cringe with embarassment for you. :eek:
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what makes me wonder is what competition judge would give high marks for someone using C style (IO) routines in a C++ application where a C++ alternative is available.
Programming style is highly important in most competitions, and that's exceedingly poor style.
Programming style is highly important in most competitions, and that's exceedingly poor style.
As people are clearly allowed to attack me but I'm not allowed to defend myself, I no longer post to this site.
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Give me your profiler's output, add some timing framework, or don't even waste my time with such a silly test. Oh, and if you're trying to prove something, give me details on your compiler and system.
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