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BREAKING NEWS: "Meta tag abusers face 20 years in prison under US law".
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Do SEO Yourself (Short Tutorial)
SEO is an acronym for "search engine optimization". It is the process of analyzing your potential design and problems for search engines indexing and positioning. In other words, making your web site and its content attractive, relevant and visible to search engines and web searchers.
There is nothing worse than having a beautiful web site with excellent written content, though you still lose traffic or you even keep potential visitors away, while your site cannot be found.
Before you begin optimizing your pages for Search Engines, consider that the following search engine optimization techniques are SPAM!
* automatically generated doorway pages
* cloaking and false redirects
* keyword stuffing
* hidden text or hidden links
* pages loaded with irrelevant words
* duplicated content on multiple pages
* misspelling of well-known web sites
* unrelated and centralized link farms
* other methods that try to trick search engines
If you use one of the above techniques, you might get short term results, but it's most likely that your site will be banned from search engines, and therefore you will put your business at severe risk.
You will have more success, if you will optimize your site for humans, and not machines!
Good luck with Search Engine Optimization.
More about: http://www.google.com/support/webmas...y?answer=35769
Don't miss this article too! "Why SEO should be important to you".
VALUABLE RESOURCES & TOOLS
Please report broken links or other issues, as misleading information, etc.
SEO Code of Ethics
* Search Engine Optimization Code of Ethics http://www.bruceclay.com/web_ethics.htm
Search Engines Guidelines for Webmasters
* Google Webmaster Guidelines http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
* Yahoo! Search Site Guidelines http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearc...basics-18.html
* MSN Guidelines for Webmasters http://search.msn.com.my/webmasters/guidelines.aspx
* Ask Jeeves Guidelines for Webmasters http://sp.ask.com/docs/about/policy.html
* Open Directory Editorial Guidelines http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html
* Zeal Guidelines Overview http://www.zeal.com/guidelines/overview.jhtml
* Overture's SiteMatchâ„¢ Content Guidelines http://www.content.overture.com/d/USm/ays/sm_gl.jhtml
* Filing at Google a reinclusion request - howto http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/reincl...request-howto/
* Remove content from Google's index http://www.google.com/support/webmas...y?answer=35301
Search Engine Spammer Reporting
* Overture, AllTheWeb feedback@Overture.com
* AltaVista http://www.altavista.com/help/contact/search
* Google, AOL http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html
* Ask Jeeves http://sp.ask.com/docs/about/contact_tuwyt.php
* DMOZ / ODP http://report-abuse.dmoz.org/
* Lycos http://help.lycos.com/watchdog/watchdog_1_help.asp
* Inktomi, MSN reportspam@inktomi.com
* Teoma ask@teoma.com
* Yahoo reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com
Search Engines Information for Webmasters
* Google Information for Webmasters http://www.google.com/webmasters/bot.html
SEO Tutorials
* SEOmoz | Beginner's Guide to Search Engine Optimization http://www.seomoz.org/beginners.php
* Do It Yourself SEO, Where Do I Begin http://www.jaankanellis.com/seo-where-do-i-begin/
* Basics of search engine optimisation http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/2005...e_optimisation/
* Website Promotion Tutorials by instantPROMOTION http://www.instantposition.com/website-promotion/
* Google vs Yahoo! vs MSN Search: Defining Search Engine Relevancy http://www.seobook.com/relevancy/
SEO TIPS
* SEO Toolkit 21 part guide to getting a top-10 listing on Google and Yahoo http://www.rlrouse.com/SEO.html
* Ten Tips to the Top of the Search Engines http://www.highrankings.com/tentips.htm
* Bruce Cley Search Engine Optimization Technical Tips http://www.bruceclay.com/seo-tech-tips/techtips.htm
Free Online SEO Tools
* Page Strength SEO Tool http://www.seomoz.org/tools/page-strength.php
* instantPROMOTION SEO Tools http://www.instantposition.com/free_tools.cfm
* Sitening SEO Analyzer - A Web Standards & SEO Web Design Page Analyzer http://www.sitening.com/tools/seo-analyzer/
* Reaction Engine Free Online SEO Analysis http://www.reactionengine.com/
* Digitalpoint Keyword Ranking Monitor (Search Engine Positioning Tool) http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/
* SEOBook Free SEO Tools http://tools.seobook.com
* AbiLogic Page Keywords Analyzer http://www.abilogic.com/seo/
* SEO Scanner http://www.webmasterbrain.com/
* Keyword Density & Prominence http://www.ranks.nl/tools/spider.html
* Meta Tag Analyzer http://www.submitexpress.com/analyzer/
* Search Engine Keyword Tracker & Keyword Ranking Tool http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/
* Web Site Analysis http://www.sitesolutions.com/analysis.asp
* Free Robots.txt Generator http://www.mcanerin.com/search-engine/robots-txt.htm
* Robots.txt syntax checker http://www.sxw.org.uk/computing/robots/check.html
* Robots.txt Validator http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/robotcheck.cgi
* Link Vendor SEO Tools http://www.linkvendor.com/seo-tools/
* Bad Neighborhood Text Link Checker http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/
* Google Banned Tool http://www.123promotion.co.uk/tools/googlebanned.php
* Free Site Map Generator http://www.freesitemapgenerator.com/
Free SEO Desktop Tools
* WebCEO http://www.webnauts.net/webceo.html
* Good Keywords http://www.goodkeywords.com/
* Free Monitor for Google http://www.cleverstat.com/google-monitor-query.htm
* SEO Junkie Site Wide Duplicate Content Analyzer http://www.seojunkie.com/2006/05/24/...tent-analyzer/
* GSite Crawler Google Sitemap Generator for Windows http://gsitecrawler.com/
Web Site Submission at Major Search Engines
* Google http://www.google.com/addurl/
* Yahoo! https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=s...om/free/request
* MSN http://search.msn.com/docs/submit.aspx
Web Site Submission at Human-edited Directories
* DMOZ http://www.dmoz.org/add.html
* Webnauts Net Human and Search Engine Friendly Web Directory http://directory.webnauts.net/suggest-link.php
SEO Discussion Forums
* Webnauts Net http://forums.webnauts.net
* Digitalpoint http://forums.digitalpoint.com
* Google Community http://www.googlecommunity.com/
* Search Engine Forums http://www.searchengineforums.com/
SEO Joke
A declaration of the abbreviation SPAM:
S = SITES
P = PLACED
A = ABOVE
M = MINE
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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This post will be from time to time updated. Stay tuned! Cool stuff coming.
BREAKING NEWS: "Meta tag abusers face 20 years in prison under US law".
The US has passed legislation which controls what website operators are allowed to put in their site meta tags. The law bans the use of words which might lead anyone to obscene content. Go on reading...
Do SEO Yourself (Short Tutorial)
SEO is an acronym for "search engine optimization". It is the process of analyzing your potential design and problems for search engines indexing and positioning. In other words, making your web site and its content attractive, relevant and visible to search engines and web searchers.
There is nothing worse than having a beautiful web site with excellent written content, though you still lose traffic or you even keep potential visitors away, while your site cannot be found.
Before you begin optimizing your pages for Search Engines, consider that the following search engine optimization techniques are SPAM!
* automatically generated doorway pages
* cloaking and false redirects
* keyword stuffing
* hidden text or hidden links
* pages loaded with irrelevant words
* duplicated content on multiple pages
* misspelling of well-known web sites
* unrelated and centralized link farms
* other methods that try to trick search engines
If you use one of the above techniques, you might get short term results, but it's most likely that your site will be banned from search engines, and therefore you will put your business at severe risk.
You will have more success, if you will optimize your site for humans, and not machines!
Good luck with Search Engine Optimization.
More about: http://www.google.com/support/webmas...y?answer=35769
Don't miss this article too! "Why SEO should be important to you".
VALUABLE RESOURCES & TOOLS
Please report broken links or other issues, as misleading information, etc.
SEO Code of Ethics
* Search Engine Optimization Code of Ethics http://www.bruceclay.com/web_ethics.htm
Search Engines Guidelines for Webmasters
* Google Webmaster Guidelines http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
* Yahoo! Search Site Guidelines http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearc...basics-18.html
* MSN Guidelines for Webmasters http://search.msn.com.my/webmasters/guidelines.aspx
* Ask Jeeves Guidelines for Webmasters http://sp.ask.com/docs/about/policy.html
* Open Directory Editorial Guidelines http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html
* Zeal Guidelines Overview http://www.zeal.com/guidelines/overview.jhtml
* Overture's SiteMatchâ„¢ Content Guidelines http://www.content.overture.com/d/USm/ays/sm_gl.jhtml
* Filing at Google a reinclusion request - howto http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/reincl...request-howto/
* Remove content from Google's index http://www.google.com/support/webmas...y?answer=35301
Search Engine Spammer Reporting
* Overture, AllTheWeb feedback@Overture.com
* AltaVista http://www.altavista.com/help/contact/search
* Google, AOL http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html
* Ask Jeeves http://sp.ask.com/docs/about/contact_tuwyt.php
* DMOZ / ODP http://report-abuse.dmoz.org/
* Lycos http://help.lycos.com/watchdog/watchdog_1_help.asp
* Inktomi, MSN reportspam@inktomi.com
* Teoma ask@teoma.com
* Yahoo reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com
Search Engines Information for Webmasters
* Google Information for Webmasters http://www.google.com/webmasters/bot.html
SEO Tutorials
* SEOmoz | Beginner's Guide to Search Engine Optimization http://www.seomoz.org/beginners.php
* Do It Yourself SEO, Where Do I Begin http://www.jaankanellis.com/seo-where-do-i-begin/
* Basics of search engine optimisation http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/2005...e_optimisation/
* Website Promotion Tutorials by instantPROMOTION http://www.instantposition.com/website-promotion/
* Google vs Yahoo! vs MSN Search: Defining Search Engine Relevancy http://www.seobook.com/relevancy/
SEO TIPS
* SEO Toolkit 21 part guide to getting a top-10 listing on Google and Yahoo http://www.rlrouse.com/SEO.html
* Ten Tips to the Top of the Search Engines http://www.highrankings.com/tentips.htm
* Bruce Cley Search Engine Optimization Technical Tips http://www.bruceclay.com/seo-tech-tips/techtips.htm
Free Online SEO Tools
* Page Strength SEO Tool http://www.seomoz.org/tools/page-strength.php
* instantPROMOTION SEO Tools http://www.instantposition.com/free_tools.cfm
* Sitening SEO Analyzer - A Web Standards & SEO Web Design Page Analyzer http://www.sitening.com/tools/seo-analyzer/
* Reaction Engine Free Online SEO Analysis http://www.reactionengine.com/
* Digitalpoint Keyword Ranking Monitor (Search Engine Positioning Tool) http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/
* SEOBook Free SEO Tools http://tools.seobook.com
* AbiLogic Page Keywords Analyzer http://www.abilogic.com/seo/
* SEO Scanner http://www.webmasterbrain.com/
* Keyword Density & Prominence http://www.ranks.nl/tools/spider.html
* Meta Tag Analyzer http://www.submitexpress.com/analyzer/
* Search Engine Keyword Tracker & Keyword Ranking Tool http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/
* Web Site Analysis http://www.sitesolutions.com/analysis.asp
* Free Robots.txt Generator http://www.mcanerin.com/search-engine/robots-txt.htm
* Robots.txt syntax checker http://www.sxw.org.uk/computing/robots/check.html
* Robots.txt Validator http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/robotcheck.cgi
* Link Vendor SEO Tools http://www.linkvendor.com/seo-tools/
* Bad Neighborhood Text Link Checker http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/
* Google Banned Tool http://www.123promotion.co.uk/tools/googlebanned.php
* Free Site Map Generator http://www.freesitemapgenerator.com/
Free SEO Desktop Tools
* WebCEO http://www.webnauts.net/webceo.html
* Good Keywords http://www.goodkeywords.com/
* Free Monitor for Google http://www.cleverstat.com/google-monitor-query.htm
* SEO Junkie Site Wide Duplicate Content Analyzer http://www.seojunkie.com/2006/05/24/...tent-analyzer/
* GSite Crawler Google Sitemap Generator for Windows http://gsitecrawler.com/
Web Site Submission at Major Search Engines
* Google http://www.google.com/addurl/
* Yahoo! https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=s...om/free/request
* MSN http://search.msn.com/docs/submit.aspx
Web Site Submission at Human-edited Directories
* DMOZ http://www.dmoz.org/add.html
* Webnauts Net Human and Search Engine Friendly Web Directory http://directory.webnauts.net/suggest-link.php
SEO Discussion Forums
* Webnauts Net http://forums.webnauts.net
* Digitalpoint http://forums.digitalpoint.com
* Google Community http://www.googlecommunity.com/
* Search Engine Forums http://www.searchengineforums.com/
SEO Joke
A declaration of the abbreviation SPAM:
S = SITES
P = PLACED
A = ABOVE
M = MINE
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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This post will be from time to time updated. Stay tuned! Cool stuff coming.
Last edited by Webnauts : Aug 1st, 2006 at 9:11 pm.
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In the SEO TIPS section you have misspelled a person's name. If you are going to use someone's name please spell it correctly.
I must say that you have created an extensive list. There is much good in it at least.
I must say that you have created an extensive list. There is much good in it at least.
Fred Joly - SEO Veteran, Artist, Writer, Outdoorsman
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Originally Posted by canadafred
In the SEO TIPS section you have misspelled a person's name. If you are going to use someone's name please spell it correctly.
I though that the list would be appreciated here. But it seems not. I contacted the admin to delete the thread and my membeship too. So no need to worry anymore.
And by the way, if I could edit the mistake, I would have done that. But it is not anymore necessary.
Last edited by Webnauts : Aug 2nd, 2006 at 1:33 am.
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Originally Posted by Webnauts
And by the way, if I could edit the mistake, I would have done that. But it is not anymore necessary.
Your contributions are worthy. This place needs the basics reminded to us, with clarity, just like you present it in your insightful postings. The admins will remove it because of the links in it. They are on vacation for the moment though, I think.
Fred Joly - SEO Veteran, Artist, Writer, Outdoorsman
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Hi,
I was away in Chicago for a couple of days, and Davey was away for the past two weeks. We are both back now
In order to not stifle conversation as much as in the past, the rules have been slightly altered to allow links to be posted as long as it is not overly obvious that they are advertisements or plugs of any kind.
I was away in Chicago for a couple of days, and Davey was away for the past two weeks. We are both back now
In order to not stifle conversation as much as in the past, the rules have been slightly altered to allow links to be posted as long as it is not overly obvious that they are advertisements or plugs of any kind. Dani the Computer Science Gal
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Originally Posted by Webnauts
I though that the list would be appreciated here. But it seems not. I contacted the admin to delete the thread and my membeship too. So no need to worry anymore.
And by the way, if I could edit the mistake, I would have done that. But it is not anymore necessary.
hey man dont be like that,i really appreciate ur post it was very helpful and i am using it to help myself now.thanks amn
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We deal with everything sports and talk sports on our forum !
We deal with everything sports and talk sports on our forum !
i found some of the links quite useful, you can never read enough
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Originally Posted by Webnauts
Please don't forget to add me some reputation if this thread was helpful for you.
BREAKING NEWS: "Meta tag abusers face 20 years in prison under US law".
The US has passed legislation which controls what website operators are allowed to put in their site meta tags. The law bans the use of words which might lead anyone to obscene content. Go on reading...
Do SEO Yourself (Short Tutorial)
SEO is an acronym for "search engine optimization". It is the process of analyzing your potential design and problems for search engines indexing and positioning. In other words, making your web site and its content attractive, relevant and visible to search engines and web searchers.
There is nothing worse than having a beautiful web site with excellent written content, though you still lose traffic or you even keep potential visitors away, while your site cannot be found.
Before you begin optimizing your pages for Search Engines, consider that the following search engine optimization techniques are SPAM!
* automatically generated doorway pages
* cloaking and false redirects
* keyword stuffing
* hidden text or hidden links
* pages loaded with irrelevant words
* duplicated content on multiple pages
* misspelling of well-known web sites
* unrelated and centralized link farms
* other methods that try to trick search engines
If you use one of the above techniques, you might get short term results, but it's most likely that your site will be banned from search engines, and therefore you will put your business at severe risk.
You will have more success, if you will optimize your site for humans, and not machines!
Good luck with Search Engine Optimization.
More about: http://www.google.com/support/webmas...y?answer=35769
Don't miss this article too! "Why SEO should be important to you".
VALUABLE RESOURCES & TOOLS
Please report broken links or other issues, as misleading information, etc.
SEO Code of Ethics
* Search Engine Optimization Code of Ethics http://www.bruceclay.com/web_ethics.htm
Search Engines Guidelines for Webmasters
* Google Webmaster Guidelines http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
* Yahoo! Search Site Guidelines http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearc...basics-18.html
* MSN Guidelines for Webmasters http://search.msn.com.my/webmasters/guidelines.aspx
* Ask Jeeves Guidelines for Webmasters http://sp.ask.com/docs/about/policy.html
* Open Directory Editorial Guidelines http://dmoz.org/guidelines/include.html
* Zeal Guidelines Overview http://www.zeal.com/guidelines/overview.jhtml
* Overture's SiteMatchâ„¢ Content Guidelines http://www.content.overture.com/d/USm/ays/sm_gl.jhtml
* Filing at Google a reinclusion request - howto http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/reincl...request-howto/
* Remove content from Google's index http://www.google.com/support/webmas...y?answer=35301
Search Engine Spammer Reporting
* Overture, AllTheWeb feedback@Overture.com
* AltaVista http://www.altavista.com/help/contact/search
* Google, AOL http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html
* Ask Jeeves http://sp.ask.com/docs/about/contact_tuwyt.php
* DMOZ / ODP http://report-abuse.dmoz.org/
* Lycos http://help.lycos.com/watchdog/watchdog_1_help.asp
* Inktomi, MSN reportspam@inktomi.com
* Teoma ask@teoma.com
* Yahoo reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com
Search Engines Information for Webmasters
* Google Information for Webmasters http://www.google.com/webmasters/bot.html
SEO Tutorials
* SEOmoz | Beginner's Guide to Search Engine Optimization http://www.seomoz.org/beginners.php
* Do It Yourself SEO, Where Do I Begin http://www.jaankanellis.com/seo-where-do-i-begin/
* Basics of search engine optimisation http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/2005...e_optimisation/
* Website Promotion Tutorials by instantPROMOTION http://www.instantposition.com/website-promotion/
* Google vs Yahoo! vs MSN Search: Defining Search Engine Relevancy http://www.seobook.com/relevancy/
SEO TIPS
* SEO Toolkit 21 part guide to getting a top-10 listing on Google and Yahoo http://www.rlrouse.com/SEO.html
* Ten Tips to the Top of the Search Engines http://www.highrankings.com/tentips.htm
* Bruce Cley Search Engine Optimization Technical Tips http://www.bruceclay.com/seo-tech-tips/techtips.htm
Free Online SEO Tools
* Page Strength SEO Tool http://www.seomoz.org/tools/page-strength.php
* instantPROMOTION SEO Tools http://www.instantposition.com/free_tools.cfm
* Sitening SEO Analyzer - A Web Standards & SEO Web Design Page Analyzer http://www.sitening.com/tools/seo-analyzer/
* Reaction Engine Free Online SEO Analysis http://www.reactionengine.com/
* Digitalpoint Keyword Ranking Monitor (Search Engine Positioning Tool) http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/
* SEOBook Free SEO Tools http://tools.seobook.com
* AbiLogic Page Keywords Analyzer http://www.abilogic.com/seo/
* SEO Scanner http://www.webmasterbrain.com/
* Keyword Density & Prominence http://www.ranks.nl/tools/spider.html
* Meta Tag Analyzer http://www.submitexpress.com/analyzer/
* Search Engine Keyword Tracker & Keyword Ranking Tool http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/keywords/
* Web Site Analysis http://www.sitesolutions.com/analysis.asp
* Free Robots.txt Generator http://www.mcanerin.com/search-engine/robots-txt.htm
* Robots.txt syntax checker http://www.sxw.org.uk/computing/robots/check.html
* Robots.txt Validator http://www.searchengineworld.com/cgi-bin/robotcheck.cgi
* Link Vendor SEO Tools http://www.linkvendor.com/seo-tools/
* Bad Neighborhood Text Link Checker http://www.bad-neighborhood.com/
* Google Banned Tool http://www.123promotion.co.uk/tools/googlebanned.php
* Free Site Map Generator http://www.freesitemapgenerator.com/
Free SEO Desktop Tools
* WebCEO http://www.webnauts.net/webceo.html
* Good Keywords http://www.goodkeywords.com/
* Free Monitor for Google http://www.cleverstat.com/google-monitor-query.htm
* SEO Junkie Site Wide Duplicate Content Analyzer http://www.seojunkie.com/2006/05/24/...tent-analyzer/
* GSite Crawler Google Sitemap Generator for Windows http://gsitecrawler.com/
Web Site Submission at Major Search Engines
* Google http://www.google.com/addurl/
* Yahoo! https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=s...om/free/request
* MSN http://search.msn.com/docs/submit.aspx
Web Site Submission at Human-edited Directories
* DMOZ http://www.dmoz.org/add.html
* Webnauts Net Human and Search Engine Friendly Web Directory http://directory.webnauts.net/suggest-link.php
SEO Discussion Forums
* Webnauts Net http://forums.webnauts.net
* Digitalpoint http://forums.digitalpoint.com
* Google Community http://www.googlecommunity.com/
* Search Engine Forums http://www.searchengineforums.com/
SEO Joke
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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This post will be from time to time updated. Stay tuned! Cool stuff coming.
Good information but I think it will be too much for beginners. They can not start well when they read all this. Shorten it in few words : Good contents, natural income links, and patient! That are basic!
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BREAKING NEWS: "Meta tag abusers face 20 years in prison under US law".
The US has passed legislation which controls what website operators are allowed to put in their site meta tags. The law bans the use of words which might lead anyone to obscene content. Go on reading...
I cant beleive man.....:eek: any way nice sharing....
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